Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .

[Ravenshire]

Come on, Lek, even you can see the sense in that.

Don't be so sure Steel.

[Lek]

The language you use is being spoon fed to you. Do you know that? Killed. A thing must be alive to be killed. A fetus at 13 weeks is no more alive than a tumor, as it cannot survive without its host.

I said it in the other thread, there is absolutely no evidence that PP sells "baby parts." They receive payment for the transport and care of donated fetal tissue, maternal blood, stem cell lines, and fetal cell lines. When a woman requests that her fetal tissue be donated, of course obstetricians take care so that they can preserve the tissue that is in most demand by researchers who are working so that other, wanted babies and adults can benefit from advanced medical procedures.

Fetal and infant retinal cell lines are being experimented on right now in research that has been used to help babies born with a congenital eye defect have a chance at vision. That can only happen if doctors take care when harvesting the tissue from a fetus that was going to be aborted anyways.

Come on, Lek, even you can see the sense in that.

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If you thought you were sneaky by shifting the goalpost, you weren't. I sense that I am never going to get an answer as to what the consequences are when a woman has complete control over her reproductive health. We get it, Lek, you are disgusted by abortions. For you and maybe your spouse, that option is off the table. That's perfectly reasonable. But you have still not explained a reason that should make it okay for another person to not have that decision be an option.

We could kill 5 year-olds and use the parts to do good things too. I guess PP refers to little arms and legs as "fetal tissue". It's pretty simple, SteelCurtain. If you don't feel that the life of the baby is enough reason not to have an abortion, then I'll never convince you.

As far as Planned Parenthood not selling body parts - Gimme a break!

http://liveactionnews.org/new-undercover...rted-baby/

[Ravenshire]

We could kill 5 year-olds and use the parts to do good things too.

Once again, Lek. Equating a living child to a fetus does not bolster your argument. It just make you look fucking stupid.

[Lek]

Click on the reatured video at the site below.  This illustrates very well what you're aborting at 13 weeks.  Maybe there are few consequences for the parents, but the consequences are to the baby that is aborted; killed by the mother who conceived and would have nursed him or her.  Since the child can feel, it must hurt.  It makes want to barf thinking about it.  Makes me even sicker when I see the videos of Planned Parenthood people acting so nonchalantly about being more careful during the procedure so they can end up with more complete body parts to sell.

http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-developm...s-13-weeks

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Quit moving the fucking goal posts. Where are the consequences to society as you initially claimed?!?

A society that has a disregard for life will demonstrate that in numerous ways. This leads to things like killing newborn babies, which happens regularly in China, even though abortions are available.

[Ravenshire]

As far as Planned Parenthood not selling body parts - Gimme a break!

And, instead of taking said "evidence" to the FBI and getting the offenders packed off to prison, they took it to liveactionnews.com (?!? fucking really ?!?) instead. Yeah, that's some compelling shit there. "Shit" being the key word.

[SteelCurtain]

Little arms and legs? You just can't be that dumb. You didn't even read or address anything in my post. We're done discussing, it seems, until you can act like a grown up having a grown up conversation.

Is this what happens when you get backed into a corner? You just throw caution to the wind and start making slippery slope arguments about murdering newborn babies?

Come on, Lek, even you can see the sense in that.

Don't be so sure Steel.

You were right, it seems, GBD.

[Ravenshire]

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Quit moving the fucking goal posts. Where are the consequences to society as you initially claimed?!?

A society that has a disregard for life will demonstrate that in numerous ways.  This leads to things like killing newborn babies, which happens regularly in China, even though abortions are available.

Yeah, the infanticide in china couldn't possibly be because of their population control laws. Noooo. It's all about the abortions. Apples and fucking dragon fruit, nimrod.

And you still haven't demonstrated the consequences of abortions on societies. Your claim, your burden.

[Ravenshire]

Little arms and legs? You just can't be that dumb. You didn't even read or address anything in my post. We're done discussing, it seems, until you can act like a grown up having a grown up conversation.

Is this what happens when you get backed into a corner? You just throw caution to the wind and start making slippery slope arguments about murdering newborn babies?

You were right, it seems, GBD.

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I'd love to be wrong about the christers more often than I am.

[Lek]

We could kill 5 year-olds and use the parts to do good things too.

Once again, Lek. Equating a living child to a fetus does not bolster your argument. It just make you look fucking stupid.

If you think I'm stupid, that's okay. Equating a fetus with it's own human DNA, a beating heart, arms and legs, and a functioning brain with a tumor makes you look even stupider. I really think you need to study some science that isn't from the 19th century.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Let me explain something very carefully:
Most people with female bodies get a period between seven and twelve. Do you know what that means? Once you a period your body is technically capable of going through the strain of pregnancy. Now please explain to the ten year old Chilean rape victim why endangering her life is the right thing to do? I'm sure she'll understand completely!

Different principles apply when the mother's life is at stake, just as I consider it moral to kill a person who is attempting to kill an innocent victim.

So morality is relative, then?