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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 19, 2015 at 3:04 pm
(August 19, 2015 at 2:32 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: (August 19, 2015 at 11:51 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: Would you care to discuss it? I've found that vegetarianism is one of the things Christians fear. It's rebellion against god and is one step short of atheism. You can't love god if you don't eat meat.
Also, how the fuck can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
Do you mean pudding in the British sense of the word?
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 19, 2015 at 3:11 pm
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Poor lil' darlin'. No, I'm not being sarcastic. This is a bright kid, she's well-mannered, she writes better than quite a few of the teenagers I have worked with. Preacher's kid, probably really hoping that her brilliant prayer examples would save souls from frying in hell. (And that would make Daddy happy.) Her brain is already fried. Totally indocrinated and brainwashed. AND if she ever breaks free, she risks being disowned by her family. My heart breaks for her and those like her.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 19, 2015 at 3:18 pm
(August 19, 2015 at 3:04 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: (August 19, 2015 at 2:32 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Also, how the fuck can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
Do you mean pudding in the British sense of the word?
Cultural Reference: Pink Floyd, Another Brick in the Wall:
It's a great song, but if you don't have the time for it check in at about 3:24 and wait.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 19, 2015 at 5:50 pm
(August 19, 2015 at 3:18 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (August 19, 2015 at 3:04 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: Do you mean pudding in the British sense of the word?
Cultural Reference: Pink Floyd, Another Brick in the Wall:
It's a great song, but if you don't have the time for it check in at about 3:24 and wait. When I was a kid, if I asked my father a question to which he did not know the answer, he'd say, "I haven't the foggiest idea." He was a brilliant man and I've always associated the British accent with intelligence. Growing up, we called my mother's sister my ahnt, not my ant. Though I tried not to step on ants so that it wouldn't rain.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 19, 2015 at 5:56 pm
It's also not the best idea to step on aunts. It most likely won't rain, but take it from me they don't thank you for it.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 19, 2015 at 6:24 pm
(August 19, 2015 at 5:56 pm)Stimbo Wrote: It's also not the best idea to step on aunts. It most likely won't rain, but take it from me they don't thank you for it. Not mention your uncle's may not be too happy
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 19, 2015 at 6:52 pm
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(August 19, 2015 at 12:38 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Lmmfao, "Don't blame god for natural aging" ... Talk about thoughtless!
That's a big part of the reason I said her explanation made absolutely no sense.
If her god had no role in the decline of the elderly person's various faculties (the OP was a bit vague on all this), then her prayer had zero impact on the availability of the vehicle at a discounted price.
In which case, it completely invalidates her original point that this is "evidence" for the existence of god... not that it was valid in the first place.
She lamented that us mean atheists would just dismiss her evidence as coincidence, but then offers a story that can only be interpreted as a coincidence.
Well, unless she was suggesting that her god caused the family car to irreparably break down in advance of any prayers for a new vehicle. If that's the case, then her god is clearly a major asshole: "I'm going to cause your car to break down (which will cost you a few grand, at the least) just so you can pray to me for something to happen that was going to happen regardless of whether or not your car broke down or you prayed"
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 20, 2015 at 12:13 am
(August 19, 2015 at 2:30 pm)Cato Wrote: (August 19, 2015 at 2:06 pm)loganonekenobi Wrote: The problem is that once a person is under the microscope they know it and so doesn't work. Science says something about the act of observation it self can change the outcome of an experiment. This is why we can see it from time to time but can't really test it.
It's a big stretch to go from observer based wave function collapse in a QM double slit experiment and "If you believe strongly enough then it may be possible to change reality with will alone." Not to mention that 'observer' doesn't necessarily entail consciousness. I recommend caution with this reasoning as it comes across as dangerously close to a Chopraesque interpretation of QM.
i'm no QM scientist so I dont have authority on this subject. I have seen some evidence that having faith in oneself and a positive outlook tend to bring about a greater possibility of success and of course the opposite attitude brings about a lot more failer. Sometimes I am not cautious and so I can expose myself to faulty thinking. That's okay since then i learn more and my ideas are challenged.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 20, 2015 at 12:17 am
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Positive attitude definitely can bring about greater success, there's no doubt about that. My entire recent therapy is based around that principle.
There's all sorts of sound reasons why a good state of mind and belief in yourself pays dividends, which don't require anything supernatural/spiritual. Even a prayer can "work" by simply making yourself believe you can do something. That can be a double edged sword though, because you need to really believe the prayer has innate power. There are other ways to achieve similar effects such as meditation.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 20, 2015 at 5:53 am
(August 20, 2015 at 12:13 am)loganonekenobi Wrote: (August 19, 2015 at 2:30 pm)Cato Wrote: It's a big stretch to go from observer based wave function collapse in a QM double slit experiment and "If you believe strongly enough then it may be possible to change reality with will alone." Not to mention that 'observer' doesn't necessarily entail consciousness. I recommend caution with this reasoning as it comes across as dangerously close to a Chopraesque interpretation of QM.
i'm no QM scientist so I dont have authority on this subject. I have seen some evidence that having faith in oneself and a positive outlook tend to bring about a greater possibility of success and of course the opposite attitude brings about a lot more failer. Sometimes I am not cautious and so I can expose myself to faulty thinking. That's okay since then i learn more and my ideas are challenged.
That's more to do with psychology than quantum mechanics.
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