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Your thoughts on Satanism and the petition for a Satanic statue.
RE: Your thoughts on Satanism and the petition for a Satanic statue.
(September 11, 2015 at 2:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Right lol. Regardless of why it was meant to offend, it still was lol. That's why I keep saying, if it was another legitimate religious symbol up there, I wouldn't care.

What exactly is offensive about it?
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RE: Your thoughts on Satanism and the petition for a Satanic statue.
(September 11, 2015 at 7:30 pm)Cecelia Wrote: What exactly is offensive about it?

Don't even go there, since it isn't the point and only a distraction. The point, as I said numerous times is erecting a religious monument on public ground and them protesting it in a provocative way.
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RE: Your thoughts on Satanism and the petition for a Satanic statue.
My religious monument is OK, not yours.

I believe that about sums it up. Next thread.
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RE: Your thoughts on Satanism and the petition for a Satanic statue.
(September 11, 2015 at 6:27 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:
(September 11, 2015 at 2:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: if it was another legitimate religious symbol up there, I wouldn't care.

(September 11, 2015 at 3:38 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm having a hard time relating because I don't see myself feeling the same way if they had put a different religious symbol up.

What symbol could/should the Satanists have chosen then?  Which Satan Temple symbol would you not find something about which to complain?

If their symbol wasn't the "bad guy" who represents evil and hate in the bible, I wouldn't have an issue with them wanting to put it next to a Christian one.
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RE: Your thoughts on Satanism and the petition for a Satanic statue.
(September 11, 2015 at 8:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(September 11, 2015 at 6:27 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: What symbol could/should the Satanists have chosen then?  Which Satan Temple symbol would you not find something about which to complain?

If their symbol wasn't the "bad guy" who represents evil and hate in the bible, I wouldn't have an issue with them wanting to put it next to a Christian one.

What did Satan ever actually do besides piss off god?  There a myriad of things that god has done that deserves the title of "bad guy".
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson

God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers

Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders

Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
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RE: Your thoughts on Satanism and the petition for a Satanic statue.
(September 11, 2015 at 8:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If their symbol wasn't the "bad guy" who represents evil and hate in the bible, I wouldn't have an issue with them wanting to put it next to a Christian one.

Well then you're in luck, because Baphomet is not Satan. Baphomet, in the form the statue depicts, is the Sabbatic Goat, which is a figure that has no relation at all to any biblical figure.

Not all horned goat-men are Satan, CL:

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Look out, it's the prince of lies!
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RE: Your thoughts on Satanism and the petition for a Satanic statue.
(September 11, 2015 at 9:11 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(September 11, 2015 at 8:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If their symbol wasn't the "bad guy" who represents evil and hate in the bible, I wouldn't have an issue with them wanting to put it next to a Christian one.

Well then you're in luck, because Baphomet is not Satan. Baphomet, in the form the statue depicts, is the Sabbatic Goat, which is a figure that has no relation at all to any biblical figure.

Not all horned goat-men are Satan, CL:

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Look out, it's the prince of lies!

You really have to expect that Catholic priests are going to mate with goats and stuff when they commit themselves to "celibacy."  When with the goat-men not be blamed for what their fathers did?

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— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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RE: Your thoughts on Satanism and the petition for a Satanic statue.
(September 11, 2015 at 8:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If their symbol wasn't the "bad guy" who represents evil and hate in the bible, I wouldn't have an issue with them wanting to put it next to a Christian one.

Your religion stole the image of your "bad guy" from other, older religions in order to vilify and mock them. Look up Pan, from Greek mythology, or Satyrs from Roman - that's what Satan was modelled after.

Of course - I suppose your religion has every right to ridicule others, because you're "special". By which I mean - "bigoted" and "self-righteous".
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RE: Your thoughts on Satanism and the petition for a Satanic statue.
(September 11, 2015 at 1:08 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(September 11, 2015 at 1:00 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Here's the thing: if you have to limit your statue-building to just "those statues that won't offend anybody," then you would never ever build a religious monument at all. 

The only thing about it that I find offensive is the fact that is was meant to offend, Esq. That's what I'm trying to say. And I know you don't believe that it was meant to offend, but I do. Otherwise, I think it's petty to be "offended" by other people's religious symbols. It's only when it's meant to be offensive and hateful that it's offensive and hateful lol. 

So how about just limiting them to the ones that aren't deliberately meant to be hateful towards a group of people? That's where I stand on this.

Not that this hasn't been addressed, but this last bastion of "reasoning" that you cling to is just so ridiculous that it's obscene. 

You know that this statue was meant to be provocative, and that the intent behind the provocation was to cause thought -not hatred-... it's been explained to you now for twenty-nine pages. Do you think that there haven't been other attempts to get eyes and ears on this seemingly never-ending situation of religious oppression before? There have been. 

People have petitioned and talked until their hands have cramped and they're blue in the face, to little effect imo. Provocation is one of the only things that has provided such a brilliant highlight to the issue at hand. If your initial reaction as a Christian was offense then the job is half done, the only thing that's left is to set aside the first reaction and think. Bloody hell. 

Dodgy
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(September 17, 2015 at 4:04 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: I make change in the coin tendered. If you want courteous treatment, behave courteously. Preaching at me and calling me immoral is not courteous behavior.
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RE: Your thoughts on Satanism and the petition for a Satanic statue.
(September 11, 2015 at 9:11 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(September 11, 2015 at 8:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If their symbol wasn't the "bad guy" who represents evil and hate in the bible, I wouldn't have an issue with them wanting to put it next to a Christian one.

Well then you're in luck, because Baphomet is not Satan. Baphomet, in the form the statue depicts, is the Sabbatic Goat, which is a figure that has no relation at all to any biblical figure.

Not all horned goat-men are Satan, CL:

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Look out, it's the prince of lies!

I was wondering when someone was going to point this out.  I like CL, so I don't want to offend, but....this. ^^
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