Your thoughts on Satanism and the petition for a Satanic statue.

[Kingpin]

1.  No, but to be fair I don't believe any religious symbolism should be allowed on any government owned property

2.  Probably not, but if they allow a Christian symbol, they should allow this as well.

Kingpin, you are my favorite theist on here. I seem very harsh (and harsh to most theists when talking about religion) on here sometimes, mostly because theists can't seem to grasp certain ideas, not to mention the dishonesty (and I can quote what I mean, but it still does nothing <not directed towards you>), but I mean no personal offense to you. Also, because of the evil religion does, the evil contained in the doctrines, and the evil executed because of what's in those doctrines. I honestly feel that things like judaism, islam, and christianity are heavily detrimental to society (and I can back this up with an innumerable amount of material), but it seems like you have a firmer grasp on the real world, and I would like to extend my kudos to you for that. You seem like a great guy. I feel you're almost there, because I offer you kudos for reading things like the God Delusion. I feel you would benefit from The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution, because of some of the angles on evolution that you were talking about it the other day. It seems you still lean to presuppositions on certain things, but I get it, you're a christian. I, also, commend you on trying to read things on both sides, as I still do. I happily watched those apologists you told me about, and enjoyed them, but there just isn't enough for me there to go on. I honestly wish that many people could erase what's in their minds completely about religion, and pretend they just picked up the bible for the first time as an adult, going by what they understand about science, reason, and logic and look at it again. If people could do that, I feel, most of them would lose the religion pretty damned quick. 99.9% of scientists accepts evolution as fact. You can look at our skulls and skeletons, and line them up millions of years back, and see small changes over time. Although, I know the 99.9% drops when talking about how humans evolved.

I hope you can actually see where atheists are coming from when making fun of the jesus story, and the bible in general, because I knew when I was a devout catholic how the story sounded. I didn't want to talk about it at with non-religious friends, but I finally took that step from, knowing how ridiculous it sounded, to not believing in it because of how ridiculous it sounded. Before I ramble on too long about things that have no relevance to anything, I just want to say that you're a good dude and you can actually see how wrong it is to have just one religion on a public building. It seems like you'd be for taking them down, because they don't belong on public property, and I can commend you on that even more so, because you're a christian telling it like it is in that scenario. You realize that one religion shouldn't have special treatment unlike most theists on here. Thanks.

Thank you for the kind words Sal.  I may be unique to most on here because I do actually fit in to your category of not being indoctrinated as a child and not picking up a Bible until I was 18.  However, I just came to a different conclusion than what you believe.  I am intellectually honest and open-minded.  I do read and listen to all sides of arguments because I feel that is the ONLY way to make a sound judgment on a point of contention.  

I do call it how I see it and I am all for the rights of citizens without prejudice.  Whether it is a Christian group/person or not, if they are in the wrong, I don't have a problem stating so.

[Catholic_Lady]

I asked this question earlier and no Christian responded. I'll try again:

Say the Satanists wanted to erect that demon statue right in front of a prominent public building, which currently has no religious symbols anywhere near it.

(1) Would you personally agree this should be allowed?

(2) Do you think the authorities would allow it?

Not a Christian, but since you're chomping at the bit for an answer:

It seems to me that Cathy's response to (1) has been that she would be okay with it; her issue with the Baphomet statue was that she perceives/perceived it as a slight toward Christianity (that it was "defiling" the 10C monument Post #12) due to the proximity of the monuments but she seemed to repeatedly imply that if it were the only monument on capitol grounds she would have allowed it.

As I said, I don't care about this or other symbols being on public land.

Only she could clarify the point, however; I don't mean to speak for her.

Frankly, that's as much as I care to comb the thread to quote her, I suggest you reread her posts to see if you get the same impression that I have.

Also note that in the last several pages here she has conceded at least a portion of her arguments throughout this thread: Post #308

Correct, CM! 

I agree it should be fair. Meaning ANY SYMBOL* should be allowed. Or NO SYMBOL should be allowed. I don't care which of the 2 it is. 

*Any symbol not made to directly attack another group of people. For example, the swastika is a Hindu symbol, but because of it's use in Nazi Germany, I'd say it should not be put next to the Jewish Star because it would imply anti jewish sentiment. The confederate flag I also don't think should be allowed because of the anti African American sentiment. I initially thought the Satanist Symbol should not be put near a Christian one because of what it would imply, but have come to give them the benefit of the doubt that they do not represent any anti Christian sentiments.

[Salacious B. Crumb]

Kingpin, you are my favorite theist on here. I seem very harsh (and harsh to most theists when talking about religion) on here sometimes, mostly because theists can't seem to grasp certain ideas, not to mention the dishonesty (and I can quote what I mean, but it still does nothing <not directed towards you>), but I mean no personal offense to you. Also, because of the evil religion does, the evil contained in the doctrines, and the evil executed because of what's in those doctrines. I honestly feel that things like judaism, islam, and christianity are heavily detrimental to society (and I can back this up with an innumerable amount of material), but it seems like you have a firmer grasp on the real world, and I would like to extend my kudos to you for that. You seem like a great guy. I feel you're almost there, because I offer you kudos for reading things like the God Delusion. I feel you would benefit from The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution, because of some of the angles on evolution that you were talking about it the other day. It seems you still lean to presuppositions on certain things, but I get it, you're a christian. I, also, commend you on trying to read things on both sides, as I still do. I happily watched those apologists you told me about, and enjoyed them, but there just isn't enough for me there to go on. I honestly wish that many people could erase what's in their minds completely about religion, and pretend they just picked up the bible for the first time as an adult, going by what they understand about science, reason, and logic and look at it again. If people could do that, I feel, most of them would lose the religion pretty damned quick. 99.9% of scientists accepts evolution as fact. You can look at our skulls and skeletons, and line them up millions of years back, and see small changes over time. Although, I know the 99.9% drops when talking about how humans evolved.

I hope you can actually see where atheists are coming from when making fun of the jesus story, and the bible in general, because I knew when I was a devout catholic how the story sounded. I didn't want to talk about it at with non-religious friends, but I finally took that step from, knowing how ridiculous it sounded, to not believing in it because of how ridiculous it sounded. Before I ramble on too long about things that have no relevance to anything, I just want to say that you're a good dude and you can actually see how wrong it is to have just one religion on a public building. It seems like you'd be for taking them down, because they don't belong on public property, and I can commend you on that even more so, because you're a christian telling it like it is in that scenario. You realize that one religion shouldn't have special treatment unlike most theists on here. Thanks.

Thank you for the kind words Sal.  I may be unique to most on here because I do actually fit in to your category of not being indoctrinated as a child and not picking up a Bible until I was 18.  However, I just came to a different conclusion than what you believe.  I am intellectually honest and open-minded.  I do read and listen to all sides of arguments because I feel that is the ONLY way to make a sound judgment on a point of contention.  

I do call it how I see it and I am all for the rights of citizens without prejudice.  Whether it is a Christian group/person or not, if they are in the wrong, I don't have a problem stating so.

I actually was heavily indoctrinated, and I can't see myself believing in it being exposed to it at such a developed age, but keep engaging, listening, and doing your best to call it like it is.

Those are good traits to have.

[Deepthunk]

This stuff freaks me out like nothing else, but nonetheless it's kind of intriguing in a morbid sort of way. 

I saw this story on facebook this morning and was wondering what you guys thought:

http://www.thv11.com/media/cinematic/vid...t-capitol/

I was also wondering what you guys thought of the actual Satanic Temple religion. They're all Atheists who use the symbol of the Demon to represent personal freedoms and their opposition to the idea of God:

 http://thesatanictemple.com/faq

I am so sick of that religious propiganda.

People who worship your deities antithesis are NOT atheist because they are believing in a religion, they believe in your religion in fact because they worship its anti-deity.

it's been my experience that real satanists are all people who have been raised christian but become incredibly disgruntled with the church, often as a result of being abused or exploited by it, as I'm sure most of you actually know already.

Your religious leaders have a long history of claiming everyone they hate worships your stupid devil, and there is no one your religious leaders hate more than people that keep proving the gravy train their riding one is bull. that's why they keep calling atheists devil worshipers, and this "temple" website your pointing at was almost certainly set up by a minister as a way of falsely incriminating atheist for devil worship.

I say that because I have caught minsters pretending to be atheists online before, in fact twice before on two different discussion forums, so you shouldn't take someones identity for granted online, even if there pretending to be the people you hate saying all the incriminating things you would love the people you hate to say, in fact especially if they're saying nothing but incriminating things.