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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:43 pm
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(October 15, 2015 at 1:27 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: (October 15, 2015 at 1:21 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: i think if people of science put forth the effort they could prove God exists but noone is going to put forth the effort toward something they do not believe exists . disbelief limits discovery .
If a god interacts with our four-dimensional reality, it might be possible to study it based on its effects on the world. But if the god in question is considered to be outside time-space and does not interact with the world, then there is no possible scientific protocol that could be developed for its study.
Does the god you believe in interact with the world? If so, how does it interact, and how would you propose that one scientifically study it?
there have been many cases that defy the laws of nature witnessed by others but no interest by the scientific community to seriously investigate because of disbelief they assume its caused by mass hysteria or some other cause. they would rather be content with mystery that consider the possibility of God and investigate the possibility so much for scientific curiosity .
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:44 pm
(October 15, 2015 at 1:25 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 15, 2015 at 1:22 pm)SofaKingHigh Wrote: You're not serious?
when has there ever been a great scientific effort to prove that God does exist ?
The whole of the nineteenth century. They failed.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:44 pm
(October 15, 2015 at 1:43 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 15, 2015 at 1:27 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: If a god interacts with our four-dimensional reality, it might be possible to study it based on its effects on the world. But if the god in question is considered to be outside time-space and does not interact with the world, then there is no possible scientific protocol that could be developed for its study.
Does the god you believe in interact with the world? If so, how does it interact, and how would you propose that one scientifically study it?
there have been many cases that defy the laws of nature witnessed by others but no interest by the scientific community to seriously investigate because of disbelief . they would rather be content with mystery that consider the possibility of God and investigate the possibility so much for scientific curiosity
Example please.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:44 pm
(October 15, 2015 at 1:21 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: [...]disbelief limits discovery .
No, it doesn't. In fact - the opposite is true. Belief is one of the main obstacles on the way to knowledge. If you believe in something you're particularly prone to all sorts of errors, like confirmation bias, which is why scientists are expected to leave their beliefs at the door, when entering the labs.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:47 pm
(October 15, 2015 at 1:43 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: there have been many cases that defy the laws of nature witnessed by others but no interest by the scientific community to seriously investigate because of disbelief . [...]
Uhm... No. That's not true either. Scientists investigate evidence. People who have no evidence like to claim that scientists "ignore" them, but that's usually because they are trying to make money off of their bullsh*t.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:48 pm
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1. Define God
2. Set up a falsifiable, testable hypothesis regarding God
If you can't do this, then it's outside the scope of science. Just pointing at weird happenings and saying "God did it" is not science, it's the argument from ignorance/incredulity. Nor does it explain anything or further understanding.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:51 pm
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(October 15, 2015 at 1:40 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (October 15, 2015 at 1:25 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: when has there ever been a great scientific effort to prove that God does exist ?
Science doesn't work like that. First someone would have to form a COHERENT, LOGICAL and - most importantly - TESTABLE theory of god, which could then be proven or dis-proved. That has not happened so far.
but one who does not believe that God exists in the first place would not bother to form a COHERENT, LOGICAL and - most importantly - TESTABLE theory of god . they would see it as a waste of time ...... which is why disbelief and close mindedness limits discovery.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:56 pm
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(October 15, 2015 at 1:51 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: but one who does not believe that God exists in the first place would not bother to form a COHERENT, LOGICAL and - most importantly - TESTABLE theory of god .[...]
Even if that were true - we've had billions of people who DO/DID believe in gods and none of them have formed such a theory either. Meaning - belief/disbelief has nothing to do with this.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:57 pm
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God is not well defined. No two people can seem to agree on what the hell it's supposed to be. Can you define it, in a way that doesn't put it immediately outside the scope of science?
There are plenty of theist scientists. Do you think they've never even tried to "prove God"?
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:57 pm
(October 15, 2015 at 1:44 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (October 15, 2015 at 1:25 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: when has there ever been a great scientific effort to prove that God does exist ?
The whole of the nineteenth century. They failed.
people in the 1800's couldn't discover the majority of things that we know about the universe and reality today dont you agree that science and technology has advanced considerably since the 1800's?
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
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