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RE: Personal relationships with deities
October 21, 2015 at 10:06 am
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Uhh....
So everyone who has ever talked about God in the past was legit, because you say so? Or you're saying "they can't all be wrong"? No smoke without fire? I really don't know what you're saying.
I have no idea how you have obtained the truth value of anything anyone has ever said or written about "God".
You just said they didn't lie, and I said whether or not they were lying is irrelevant to the truth.
Even with all scientific understanding we have today, people get stuff wrong all the time and have any number of irrational beliefs. Just think what garbage people would have believed thousands of years ago when they didn't know squat. Everything would have seemed like "God" to them.
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RE: Personal relationships with deities
October 21, 2015 at 12:57 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 11:37 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: Just because I believe in God doesn't mean I don't take in information. No information disproves God. If it did I would consider it.
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That isn't how it works. You have the burden of proving your particular god. If you can't, why should we believe in it?
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RE: Personal relationships with deities
October 21, 2015 at 1:58 pm
Take a totally sincere Mormon, a totally sincere Hindu, a totally sincere Catholic, a totally sincere Baneemyite, a totally sincere Muslim and a totally sincere Jehovah's Witness and they all say they have the direct to God pipeline.
I know for a fact (and so does anyone with 2 functioning brain cells (oops, there goes the Mormon) that at least 5 of the 6 examples cited above are DEAD wrong.
Unless it turns out I am God, there is no way for me to know, for sure, which of the 6, IF ANY, isn't actually deluded or psycho.
Helluva a way to validate a religion, no ??
Guess wrong and get the molten boron and used razor blade enema for an endless infinite eternity. Fuck you religiousites, fuck you!
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RE: Personal relationships with deities
October 21, 2015 at 2:01 pm
(October 21, 2015 at 12:57 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (October 20, 2015 at 11:37 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: Just because I believe in God doesn't mean I don't take in information. No information disproves God. If it did I would consider it.
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That isn't how it works. You have the burden of proving your particular god. If you can't, why should we believe in it? It's not my particular God. There is only one creator GOD. I am not burdened because I believe something. Just as you don't have to accept it as I do.
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RE: Personal relationships with deities
October 21, 2015 at 2:05 pm
(October 21, 2015 at 1:58 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Take a totally sincere Mormon, a totally sincere Hindu, a totally sincere Catholic, a totally sincere Baneemyite, a totally sincere Muslim and a totally sincere Jehovah's Witness and they all say they have the direct to God pipeline.
I know for a fact (and so does anyone with 2 functioning brain cells (oops, there goes the Mormon) that at least 5 of the 6 examples cited above are DEAD wrong.
Unless it turns out I am God, there is no way for me to know, for sure, which of the 6, IF ANY, isn't actually deluded or psycho.
Helluva a way to validate a religion, no ??
Guess wrong and get the molten boron and used razor blade enema for an endless infinite eternity. Fuck you religiousites, fuck you! That's the thing; you don't have to conform to one set of rules made by man. You don't have to shun others. The teachings are the same. Man's interpretations may not be for greedy reasons. The way to discern and understand is through the selfless conscience and scripture.
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RE: Personal relationships with deities
October 21, 2015 at 2:06 pm
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No, you're not "burdened", you are just making unsupported claims.
You aren't saying you believe ancient man was correct, you're just stating that he was, and so on. That's a statement of fact.
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RE: Personal relationships with deities
October 21, 2015 at 2:26 pm
(October 21, 2015 at 12:04 am)Kitan Wrote: (October 21, 2015 at 12:02 am)popsthebuilder Wrote: Your statement in no way promoted polytheism.
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You clearly have no concept of the history of religion, for the simple fact that all you have ever been taught or cared to learn is within that droll little book of nonsense known as the holy bible. Wow. Not quite my assuming little friend. Thanks for the uneducated guess though.
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RE: Personal relationships with deities
October 21, 2015 at 2:28 pm
(October 21, 2015 at 12:04 am)Kitan Wrote: (October 21, 2015 at 12:02 am)popsthebuilder Wrote: Your statement in no way promoted polytheism.
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You clearly have no concept of the history of religion, for the simple fact that all you have ever been taught or cared to learn is within that droll little book of nonsense known as the holy bible. Was atheist up until about 5-6 years ago. I'm mid thirties. Just started reading New Covenant maybe 6 months ago. Also read and have read and find new religious scriptures that are not in the bible.
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RE: Personal relationships with deities
October 21, 2015 at 2:39 pm
(October 21, 2015 at 10:06 am)robvalue Wrote: Uhh....
So everyone who has ever talked about God in the past was legit, because you say so? Or you're saying "they can't all be wrong"? No smoke without fire? I really don't know what you're saying.
I have no idea how you have obtained the truth value of anything anyone has ever said or written about "God".
You just said they didn't lie, and I said whether or not they were lying is irrelevant to the truth.
Even with all scientific understanding we have today, people get stuff wrong all the time and have any number of irrational beliefs. Just think what garbage people would have believed thousands of years ago when they didn't know squat. Everything would have seemed like "God" to them. I agree. But then you should also consider how much closer to nature and other life they were back then. Then consider the fact that scriptures spanning time and geographic region teach the same core messages and structures with only minor greed laden discrepancies by man. Then observe all the geographic man made evidence that is strewn across the globe at all different ancient times and places.
To say that all ancients where dumb because written word was somewhat new is not really accurate to me. They were different. Some ways better perhaps. Some ways, worse.
Look at Nicola Tesla and Albert Einstein. They weren't the same as the general mass. But they weren't dumb. In fact; their lack of social function says something for the other functions of an individual and significance and, or purpose.
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RE: Personal relationships with deities
October 21, 2015 at 2:44 pm
(October 21, 2015 at 2:39 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: I agree. But then you should also consider how much closer to nature and other life they were back then. Then consider the fact that scriptures spanning time and geographic region teach the same core messages and structures with only minor greed laden discrepancies by man. Then observe all the geographic man made evidence that is strewn across the globe at all different ancient times and places.
Greed laden discrepancies. I'll take one of those, and one of those, and one of those......
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