Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?

[Crossless2.0]

Christians can easily just say "God kept the plants alive by not creating the rule that required plants to have sun to live before he created the sun."

The real problem is that the Sun is older than the earth, yet the Bible states Earth was created first.

Not that you're wrong, but I'd say the real problem is that there are still people over the age of ten who feel the need to contort themselves to laughable extremes just to salvage this story.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. As a reader, I love "Genesis" and much else in the OT (my esteem for the NT is slighter, though there are a couple of books I love). But nothing sucks the enjoyment out of these books faster for me than True Believers who insist I read them from the same faith-based perspective they bring to them.

[Napoléon]

Can't be arsed to read through this 41 page troll bait thread, but for the love of fuck I hope someone quoted this already.

http://www.pewforum.org/2010/09/28/u-s-r...ge-survey/

[Rhondazvous]

Explanation #1: There was "an evening and a morning" for three days and nights, during which time there was some other source of intermittent light, one which seamlessly faded away once the sun and moon were put in place, at which point (presumably) the earth began to orbit the sun and the moon began to orbit the earth... or....

Explanation #2: The ancient Hebrews had no idea that the earth was a sphere, that it orbited the sun (that the sun and the moon were not, in fact, objects that rotated around us in the firmament) and that "evening" was caused by the earth rotating in such a way that it puts its bulk between the observer and the star that we orbit.

Geee....

Well, Explanation 1 is dead in the water because as late as the time of Jesus we see that the biblical Earth is still flat. Satan takes Jesus to a high place and shows him all the kingdons of the world. You can’t see all the kingdoms of the world from a single vantage point if the world is a sphere. Even with telescopic vision, you can’t see the kingdoms of ancient America or even southern Africa from Jerusalem.

What we have in Genesis is a description of the solar system as it would appear to a naked, earthbound eye.

What we have in alpha man is…well see the first sentence in my signature.

[abaris]

Well, Explanation 1 is dead in the water because as late as the time of Jesus we see that the biblical Earth is still flat.  Satan takes Jesus to a high place and shows him all the kingdons of the world. You can’t see all the kingdoms of the world from a single vantage point if the world is a sphere.  Even with telescopic vision, you can’t see the kingdoms of ancient America or even southern Africa from Jerusalem.

Probably from the vantage point of fundamental ignorance, since Greek scholars already measured the scope of the earth centuries before that memorable event. Of a round earth, not a flat one. Goat shagger knowledge is not the best source to build your world view on.

[Rhondazvous]

Like I said...children believe in magic.

Time to grow up, sonny.

Notice he says "The Earth may have..."

And the FSM may have created meatballs.

Anything can be explained away when your argument is based on what may have been rather than what was.

[Losty]

Yep. We're not told what the source of the light was, but it was there. Assuming it was full spectrum, there was also heat. When I was young I knew a guy who grew pot plants in the space under the steps of his mom's home. They never got light from the sun but did just fine.

Yep. Take a plant and put it in total darkness for 24 hours. It will survive. So, even without the first argument, this position fails.
Uh, yeah, either one of them works. You can test it yourself.

Again, you can easily test this yourself.

What's the difference?

How can it be tested? By growing an oak tree on a planet that doesn't evolve around a sun?

Your whole argument depends on a condition that does not exist.

He thinks sitting in a dark room is equivalent to sitting someplace where the sun does not exist lol

[abaris]

He thinks sitting in a dark room is equivalent to sitting someplace where the sun does not exist lol

And no atmosphere, since the requirements aren't yet met in Genesis. Which leads to a godmosphere, since he supposedly breathed everything into existence. At least he did a lot of mumbo jumbo talking, which is kind of hard, if there's no environment to carry the voice.

[Losty]

He thinks sitting in a dark room is equivalent to sitting someplace where the sun does not exist lol

And no atmosphere, since the requirements aren't yet met in Genesis. Which leads to a godmosphere, since he supposedly breathed everything into existence. At least he did a lot of mumbo jumbo talking, which is kind of hard, if there's no environment to carry the voice.

God breathing everything into existence makes me think of that scene from Horton Hears a Who with the peanut breath

[Rhondazvous]

How can it be tested? By growing an oak tree on a planet that doesn't evolve around a sun?

Your whole argument depends on a condition that does not exist.

He thinks sitting in a dark room is equivalent to sitting someplace where the sun does not exist lol

I think his brain is equivalent to someplace the sun doesn't shine.

[Rhondazvous]

He thinks sitting in a dark room is equivalent to sitting someplace where the sun does not exist lol

And no atmosphere, since the requirements aren't yet met in Genesis. Which leads to a godmosphere, since he supposedly breathed everything into existence. At least he did a lot of mumbo jumbo talking, which is kind of hard, if there's no environment to carry the voice.

Well, he was talking to himself so it really didn't have to carry.

Hey, I used to have split personalities, but we're okay now.