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RE: what do non/anti-religion Deists and Theists believe ?
November 14, 2015 at 3:37 pm
(November 14, 2015 at 3:24 pm)SpecUVdust Wrote: The bible? Research the historicity of the bible.
Revelation from God? Demonstrate
you cant demonstrate revelation from God science doesnt have the ability to identify consciousness the closest science can get to God is studying brainwaves but as far as ideas that is undiscovered territory
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RE: what do non/anti-religion Deists and Theists believe ?
November 14, 2015 at 3:40 pm
(November 14, 2015 at 3:33 pm)SpecUVdust Wrote: So Jenny, you are a theist?
yes i believe in God but since i believe in communication between humans and God im not a deist which is what they believe
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RE: what do non/anti-religion Deists and Theists believe ?
November 14, 2015 at 3:53 pm
As I've said. If revelation from God means him manifesting in reality, then it is demonstrable. Maybe not God, but at least the action is. There is one reality, mental/physical, it's all just reality. If God has found his way into your mind, did he get there via a radio wave ? Then show me the radio wave. It's really quite simple. If he didn't manifest in reality then he cannot be in your mind and is indestinguishable from something which does not exist.
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RE: what do non/anti-religion Deists and Theists believe ?
November 14, 2015 at 3:59 pm
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(November 14, 2015 at 3:53 pm)SpecUVdust Wrote: As I've said. If revelation from God means him manifesting in reality, then it is demonstrable. Maybe not God, but at least the action is. There is one reality, mental/physical, it's all just reality. If God has found his way into your mind, did he get there via a radio wave ? Then show me the radio wave. It's really quite simple. If he didn't manifest in reality then he cannot be in your mind and is indestinguishable from something which does not exist.
manifesting in reality is different than manifesting physically so no its not simple thoughts arent made up of radio waves science hasnt advanced to the point of understanding thoughts the origin of thoughts and mental impressions the only manifestation that can be measured is physical thats the only type right now that science is able to detect and is demonstratable . God right now cannot be demonstrated as true or untrue mind science is too underdeveloped to demonstrate God. yes God does manifest in reality to people and no cannot be observed by 3rd party observers since its not physically observable and there is no capability to detect thoughts the origin of thoughts or content of thoughts thats why people call the mind the last frontier because science doesnt know but the very basics about it .
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RE: what do non/anti-religion Deists and Theists believe ?
November 14, 2015 at 4:31 pm
Yes I understand that the human brain is complex and we are understanding it better all the time. However that's not truly addressing the issue. There is this thing called reality. In it is everything we can observe, sense, and demonstrate. Whether you classify it as physical or mental, it all exists within Reality. Your mind is one of the many things that exist within Reality. Therefore, if God exists, and entered your mind, he must first enter Reality. When he does this he will undoubtedly leave a mark. No mark has ever been found. How complex the brain is is completely irrelevant.
If there is a football on the ground at the center of a football field, and I want to touch it, I must first enter the football stadium, then onto the field. By the time I approach the ball, I assure you I will have left at least one demonstration of my presence. Most likely many.
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November 14, 2015 at 4:34 pm
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(November 14, 2015 at 4:31 pm)SpecUVdust Wrote: Yes I understand that the human brain is complex and we are understanding it better all the time. However that's not truly addressing the issue. There is this thing called reality. In it is everything we can observe, sense, and demonstrate. Whether you classify it as physical or mental, it all exists within Reality. Your mind is one of the many things that exist within Reality. Therefore, if God exists, and entered your mind, he must first enter Reality. When he does this he will undoubtedly leave a mark. No mark has ever been found. How complex the brain is is completely irrelevant.
If there is a football on the ground at the center of a football field, and I want to touch it, I must first enter the football stadium, then onto the field. By the time I approach the ball, I assure you I will have left at least one demonstration of my presence. Most likely many.
yes God is real and does demonstrate presence in reality and detectable but not yet measurable what kind of "mark" is left from thoughts ?
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RE: what do non/anti-religion Deists and Theists believe ?
November 14, 2015 at 4:41 pm
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(November 14, 2015 at 4:34 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: yes God is real and does demonstrate presence in reality and detectable but not yet measurable what kind of "mark" is left from thoughts ? Things that are demonstrable and detectable are, by default, measurable. The world is full of the marks left by human thought. Your previous post is just one example of such a mark......was that supposed to be a difficult question?
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RE: what do non/anti-religion Deists and Theists believe ?
November 14, 2015 at 4:44 pm
Human thought as in the brain? Again, so what about the brain. How did he get to your thoughts if not through reality?
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RE: what do non/anti-religion Deists and Theists believe ?
November 14, 2015 at 5:06 pm
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(November 14, 2015 at 4:41 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (November 14, 2015 at 4:34 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: yes God is real and does demonstrate presence in reality and detectable but not yet measurable what kind of "mark" is left from thoughts ? Things that are demonstrable and detectable are, by default, measurable. The world is full of the marks left by human thought. Your previous post is just one example of such a mark......was that supposed to be a difficult question?
the mind and thoughts are not measurable there are many things that exist that are not measurable comments are a mark ? comments or writing down thoughts could be considered a physical manifestation of thoughts i see what you mean thats true
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RE: what do non/anti-religion Deists and Theists believe ?
November 14, 2015 at 5:08 pm
(November 14, 2015 at 4:44 pm)SpecUVdust Wrote: Human thought as in the brain? Again, so what about the brain. How did he get to your thoughts if not through reality?
everything that exists is in reality so of course God is in reality and works through other things within reality
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
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