Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?

[Losty]

It wasn't a misunderstanding you defined feminism as a long list of things including being against equal rights for men and laughing at men who are physically abused. I simply summed it up as man hating.

If men did this, they would be called jeffery dahmer. Ignore the annotations, I'm linking this for the footage of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnXCPcq_RTY
I need to make a damn thread about this video tag lol. I had to repost because I couldn't see yours. Give me a second.



Ok so I've seen the video which I assume is your evidence. Now where's the argument?

[The Valkyrie]

*Creationist mentality*

I think you missed my post where I linked clear evidence of the double standards, honey 

No, sweety, it's just hardly relevant and not representative of the whole feminist movement.

As we've been trying to explain to you, dearie.

[DespondentFishdeathMasochismo]

Yeah I had nothing against all of you back there, but then the clown women turn around and decide they need to work out a couple more laughs.

Better that than resort to your level of insults and bigotry. Besides what's wrong with having a shit and a giggle or a poop and a chucke? Might as well enjoy ourselves while you squirm like a ickle wickle child because you don't like it when people make fun of your despicable posts.

 

You wanna talk about annoying behavior? Look at the stuck up pricks in this thread; it takes energy to not just call them out straight up, for the incessant shit they spew. Yes, I have been nice, I have been not nice. It's not Jekall and Hyde, it's just an example of how people in text have absolutely - zero fucking - CLUE, about someone actually sounds in their own voice. Maybe it's because I'm a lot more subtle in my voice and I can't naturally capture it in text.

The stuck-up prick here I see is you.

It is my observation that you have two conversational sides to you: The insulting and bigoted Hyde and the condescending and disingenuous Jekyll.

You seriously think that you can't even represent yourself correctly without us hearing the sound of your voice? So normally you're an absolute darling with non-bigoted beliefs but if you have to write or type something you automatically become a bigoted dick-bend?

K....

There is absolutely nothing interesting about someone just picking apart what I was trying to say, then presenting it to me again in a way that makes what I'm saying seem disingenuous.

You're making yourself seem disingenuous and why on earth did you want me to respond so much if you are completely unwilling to respond back? Is it because I went into the trouble to sift through your bullshit and refute it and you're incapable of making an argument back?

All you seem to know how to do is make sweeping bigoted generalizations and fling insults, then give false apologies with a "woe is me, I'm nicer than you" condescending and disingenuous attitude when you finally calm down.

You want to talk about annoying shit? If people like that - let me spare the words I would like to use - person back there actually had something interesting to offer - I don't even fucking know anymore - they're just fucking obnoxious.

If people "like that" actually had something interesting interesting to offer then they're just fucking obnoxious?

That makes no fucking sense. Not that I'm surprised.

I have been following modern day feminists for a while and let me tell you, I think the things I have seen from feminism is fucking disgusting.

People who call themselves feminists and behave in ways that rile you don't define feminism, the definition of feminism defines feminism.

 

I have some news for you, the world is hard for everyone, not just women.

No one has said otherwise you fool!

So to see the smug attitude of feminists in this thread, acting like they have the most righteous indignation in the world to an issue, which they have repackaged as their own, is just downright fucking insulting.

Nope, you're downright fucking insulting. Focus on improving your own behavior for once. After you've stood in the corner and think about what you've done of course.

See? I can be condescending too. But no, I won't resort to disingenuousness, nor will I resort to your level of insults, nor will I make bigoted statements.

I am not a bigot. Whether my posts are despicable is debatable. You know what I usually see in an argument? Facts, evidence, elegant explanations of people's points. The reason you all have no credibility with me right now, is because I don't see any of that. All I see is a bunch of people, eager to paint me as the big mean man. Your attempt at defining my psychological characteristics is hilarious. I'm not a bigot, I don't know what gave you that idea. I think if you understood hyperbole you'd see that. Then again, it's not your fault. There's a lot of tone that's missed in text and it's astonishing to me that you don't take that into account. 

You want to say I have no argument? I already covered that. You caught me putting down a line of thought in there, I didn't really have a chance to complete it. If they actually had an argument, then they would come in and make a fucking argument, instead of just doing "counter points" to try to point out my behavior. Fuck me, fuck my behavior. It's trifling, it's boring, this back and forth is bullshit. I have been asking you so many times, just back up feminism. I love science, I fucking love facts and reason. Show it to me so I don't have to keep asking, stop treating me like I'm shit, then painting it as you're the one who gets treated like shit.

[Losty]

If men did this, they would be called jeffery dahmer. Ignore the annotations, I'm linking this for the footage of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnXCPcq_RTY
I need to make a damn thread about this video tag lol. I had to repost because I couldn't see yours. Give me a second.



Ok so I've seen the video which I assume is your evidence. Now where's the argument?

[Thumpalumpacus]

If a theist made the claims about "they're not realm X", would you not call No True Scotsman?

Only if they'd changed the original definition when their bullshit was called out:

No true Scotsman is an informal fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion.[1] When faced with a counterexample to a universal claim ("no Scotsman would do such a thing"), rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by , without reference to any specific objective rule ("no true Scotsman would do such a thing")

Actually I was already prepared for this response. The NTS fallacy is commonly misunderstood. If the correct definition is being used, saying those that merely label themselves as such but in fact don't fall into the definition at all are "not true X" is not a fallacy at all. It is only when the original definition is changed and modified as an ad-hoc attempt to escape being refuted that the fallacy applies.

Someone can claim to be a theist as much as they want, but if they don't actually believe in God saying they are not a true theist in and of itself is not a fallacy. Likewise someone can claim to be a feminist as much as they want but if they actually think that man-hating is what feminism is about then they are simply mistaken.

Then you agree with Catholics that Protestants aren't true Christians, for instance?

Myself, I think the definition of "feminist" is muddled enough that winnowing the wheat from the chaff is a fool's quest. Rather thaan deal with how a person labels themselves, I prefer to deal with the individual. If someone calls themselves feminist and then goes on to spout nonstandard rhetoric, I'll address the rhetoric without worrying about the label.

[DespondentFishdeathMasochismo]

If a woman walked up and started hitting a man, they would laugh at the guy. If a man starts hitting a woman, people get so mad, they'd probably want to kill that guy. There's unfair perspectives, warped views of feminists, that the world they live in is somehow advantaged towards men. We saw it like 20 pages ago, where that guy claiming to be a male feminist talks about his immense privilege. Privilege of what? I think that society in general seems to favor women, I really do. Do you see me acting like a victim about it? No. Do you see me calling out feminists for their load of shit? The answer, whether you'd like to deny it or not, is yes.

[The Valkyrie]

Depends on the person. Assault is assault.

Generalising is BAD.

[DespondentFishdeathMasochismo]

That is the general way society operates. I have sight and sound receptacles.

[Losty]

If a woman walked up and started hitting a man, they would laugh at the guy.

Who would?

If a man starts hitting a woman, people get so mad, they'd probably want to kill that guy.

Who is they?

There's unfair perspectives, warped views of feminists, that the world they live in is somehow advantaged towards men. We saw it like 20 pages ago, where that guy claiming to be a male feminist talks about his immense privilege. Privilege of what? I think that society in general seems to favor women, I really do. Do you see me acting like a victim about it? No. Do you see me calling out feminists for their load of shit? The answer, whether you'd like to deny it or not, is yes.

You appear to be acting like a victim to me...
There are advantages and disadvantages to any gender. Currently I think the most discriminated against gender is transgender. The most oppressed (in my opinion) being transmen.

[DespondentFishdeathMasochismo]

What is this about feminism standing for equal rights? You want more rights for women? Like what the fuck do you lack in today's society? Every time I see feminists talking, it's about the patriarchy, or privilege, or "rape culture". Can you explain this shit? In most cases feminists just see men as sexist and the problem in today's society, or something. If anything feminism is extremely sexist.