Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?

[Edwardo Piet]

There are different types of feminism, there are those who simply want equality and are just taking a position they feel is equal, and there are those[mostly the only people we see] who think men should somehow pay for the inequality that took place for so many years, and want to see them thrown in zoos.

With respect, I disagree.

Different groups of feminism doesn't define feminism just as different groups of atheism doesn't define atheism. There may be multiple groups of feminists and multiple groups of atheists but the only thing that the groups of atheists share in common is their non-belief in gods, and the only thing that the feminist groups share in common is that they are pro-women's rights. If a group of atheists got together who all believed that all religious people should be killed, it wouldn't make it "a different type of atheism", it doesn't represent atheism at all... it represents a bunch of people who are atheists who also have the dangerous and highly immoral belief that all religious people should be killed.

In the same way, if a bunch of feminists got together who all believed that all men should be killed, it doesn't make it a "different type of feminism", it doesn't represent feminism at all... it represents a bunch of people who are all feminists who also have the dangerous and highly immoral belief that all men should be killed.

In a less extreme sense, a feminist group that was also anti-men doesn't define feminism or represent feminism itself, it represents a group of feminists who are also anti-men. Just as if a group of atheists that were also anti-theist got together they don't define atheism or represent atheism itself, they represent a group of atheists who are also anti-theist.

[The Valkyrie]

That is the general way society operates. I have sight and sound receptacles.

So you like generalising?

Some feminists are bad so they're all bad?

How about, some men rape so they're all rapists?

[Losty]

What is this about feminism standing for equal rights? You want more rights for women? Like what the fuck do you lack in today's society? Every time I see feminists talking, it's about the patriarchy, or privilege, or "rape culture". Can you explain this shit? In most cases feminists just see men as sexist and the problem in today's society, or something. If anything feminism is extremely sexist.

How I view feminism.

If you;

Believe all people should have equal rights

And you

Believe women are people

Then you are a feminist.

Maybe you see so many sexist feminists because you spend too much time on Twitter? That's the only place I ever see feminists that seem to think women should have more rights than men.

[DespondentFishdeathMasochismo]

If a woman walked up and started hitting a man, they would laugh at the guy.

Who would?

If a man starts hitting a woman, people get so mad, they'd probably want to kill that guy.

Who is they?

There's unfair perspectives, warped views of feminists, that the world they live in is somehow advantaged towards men. We saw it like 20 pages ago, where that guy claiming to be a male feminist talks about his immense privilege. Privilege of what? I think that society in general seems to favor women, I really do. Do you see me acting like a victim about it? No. Do you see me calling out feminists for their load of shit? The answer, whether you'd like to deny it or not, is yes.

You appear to be acting like a victim to me...
There are advantages and disadvantages to any gender. Currently I think the most discriminated against gender is transgender. The most oppressed (in my opinion) being transmen.

Acting like a victim over what? I'm not. I happen to hold transgender rights in very high regard.

[Losty]

Who would?
Who is they?

You appear to be acting like a victim to me...
There are advantages and disadvantages to any gender. Currently I think the most discriminated against gender is transgender. The most oppressed (in my opinion) being transmen.

Acting like a victim over what? I'm not. I happen to hold transgender rights in very high regard.

Over being mocked love. And so do I. Now who are they??

[The Valkyrie]

What is this about feminism standing for equal rights? You want more rights for women? Like what the fuck do you lack in today's society? Every time I see feminists talking, it's about the patriarchy, or privilege, or "rape culture". Can you explain this shit? In most cases feminists just see men as sexist and the problem in today's society, or something. If anything feminism is extremely sexist.

Even in modern, western society, many women are paid less than their male colleagues for the same jobs.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busine...37536.html

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/art...d=11532094


Rape culture:

Still, in modern western society, many women get blamed for their rapes because of the way they dress.  A woman likes to dress in revealing clothes, for whatever reason, and she gets called a "slut".

[Heat]

There are different types of feminism, there are those who simply want equality and are just taking a position they feel is equal, and there are those[mostly the only people we see] who think men should somehow pay for the inequality that took place for so many years, and want to see them thrown in zoos.

With respect, I disagree.

Different groups of feminism doesn't define feminism just as different groups of atheism doesn't define atheism. There may be multiple groups of feminists and multiple groups of atheists but the only thing that the groups of atheists share in common is their non-belief in gods, and the only thing that the feminist groups share in common is that they are pro-women's rights. If a group of atheists got together who all believed that all religious people should be killed, it wouldn't make it "a different type of atheism", it doesn't represent atheism at all... it represents a bunch of people who are atheists who also have the dangerous and highly immoral belief that all religious people should be killed.

In the same way, if a bunch of feminists got together who all believed that all men should be killed, it doesn't make it a "different type of feminism", it doesn't represent feminism at all... it represents a bunch of people who are all feminists who also have the dangerous and highly immoral belief that all men should be killed.

In a less extreme sense, a feminist group that was also anti-men doesn't define feminism or represent feminism itself, it represents a group of feminists who are also anti-men. Just as if a group of atheists that were also anti-theist got together they don't define atheism or represent atheism itself, they represent a group of atheists who are also anti-theist.

I see your point. I think I should have clarified what I meant better.

I actually was agreeing with you in my post, but it didn't come off that way.


What I meant was that; We often see Feminism in its most extreme form, as those are the people who tend to be more expressive of the position. However, this does not define all feminists, as there is still a large amount who simply want equality. That being said, I oppose those who hold the extreme position, but have no problem with the 2nd category

[DespondentFishdeathMasochismo]

Acting like a victim over what? I'm not. I happen to hold transgender rights in very high regard.

Over being mocked love. And so do I. Now who are they??

Obviously not you. That is the mentality I have witnessed. Yes it is anecdotal. Sorry to disappoint you.

[The Valkyrie]

An example of rape culture:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyath...he-victim/

[Cato]

You want to say I have no argument? I already covered that. You caught me putting down a line of thought in there, I didn't really have a chance to complete it.

Moosecock! If you didn't complete your thought before clicking on 'post reply', it's your fucking fault. Get over yourself already.

Your posturing is absurd knowing that several pages ago you seemed to imply that Anita Sarkeesian was representative of what most people understand feminism to be all the while coyishly asking what feminism is.

Here, go educate yourself and return with at least an understanding of the topic.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-topics/

All you have done in this thread is immaturely dismiss feminism as nonsensical and irrelevant without explaining your reasons why; I'm ignoring your absurd invocation of the most extreme manifestations of feminism as a representative sample of the philosophical idea and long engaged political movement.