Answered Prayers as Proof of God

[Minimalist]

You may have to take it up with Bible Gateway.com, tack. They split it up so that #6 seems a commentary on 1-5 while 7-12 is a different thought and so on.

I grant you the whole thing is a poorly strung together series of banalities but I did not write the fucking thing.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=NIV

[Godscreated]

You know, that sounded a little too pat for G-C ( who usually is not that eloquent) so I went googling around and found this pile of manure.

http://matthewsmeanderingmusings.blogspo...-your.html

Is Prayer Your Steering Wheel or Your Spare Tire?

What does 'god' say about failing to credit your sources?

My source was an e-mail from a friend and tack is correct, prayer is for those who believe and it is an aid for the spiritual life. Yes Thor that is using prayer as a spare tire if that's all you are wanting from God, prayer is a multifaceted action which can incorporate many parts of life as long as the point to your prayer is spiritual.

[tackattack]

It's about total content and perspective not where the periods and numbered verse fall.

[Thor]

Yes Thor that is using prayer as a spare tire if that's all you are wanting from God,

Where did I say that advice on a career path or investment strategy is "all" somebody would want? Are you saying your deity would NEVER help someone make a decision on such things?

prayer is a multifaceted action which can incorporate many parts of life as long as the point to your prayer is spiritual.

So your deity doesn't answer prayers when someone has a crisis and wants help such as a medical cure?

[DeistPaladin]

Matt 7

I'm starting to suspect that G-C has absolutely no interest in what the Bible says.

[Minimalist]

My source was an e-mail from a friend and tack is correct, prayer is for those who believe and it is an aid for the spiritual life.

Ah....so in other words....total fucking bullshit.

[GANIMEDE]

I estimate that the number of unanswered prayers to answered is about 1 billion to 1. This means that out of one billion dispointed Believers who got absolutely no reply from their pleadings to their deity, one Delusionary is absolutely certain they really did get an answer.

These are really bad odds. Consider all the blameless people who are the vitims of natural desasters all accross the world. It is clear that they start praying the minute disaster starts. Where was the "Almighty Yehova/Allah" during all this incredible human suffering?

I think the worst part about these stupid notions, which preach about "The Comming End", is that its followers hold life in the Here And Now to be CHEAP and with little value. They all claim: "God is watching"; everything happens according to His plan". "Things may be wretched in This Life, but the whole world will full of sunshine and butterflies in His Next World".

IN SHORT: THIS LIFE IS CHEAP AND WITHOUT DIGNITY TO THOSE WHO AWAIT THEIR DOOMSDAY.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

as long as the point to your prayer is spiritual.

Not quite sure what you mean by "spiritual'. Do you mean ''not physical", 'supernatural' or what? Be fascinated to see your evidence for such a thing.

My perception is that prayer is mostly egocentric,asking for something and rarely about simply 'talking to god'. Were I that nasty cunt YHWH, I'd ignore the whiny little worms too. I think I'd take pleasure in smiting some of the REALLY irritating ones.

On the other hand, were I the God of infinite love and compassion, I would grant any reasonable request, based soley on need.There would be no suffering children or animals for a start. Logically,no finite creature can earn the love of such a being, only accept or reject what is offered, which can only be unconditional.

[Minimalist]

Not quite sure what you mean by "spiritual'

I'll be he means pray for something that can't be seen or measured....that way he can claim its "real."

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

how can we decide, conclusively, whether God is real or imaginary?

Since we are intelligent human beings living in the 21st century, we should take the time to look at some data. That is what we are doing when we ask, "Why won't God heal amputees?"

If you are an intelligent human being, and if you want to understand the true nature of God, you owe it to yourself to ask, "Why won't God heal amputees?"

[tackattack]

OK min I'll give you this it's either all bullshit or all correct, guess which one I think it is

For instnace 4 weeks ago we had no music at our service in our new church because no one knew how to play insturments. The worship team and I prayed for God to provide someone who could play music before servicestarted. After service we had a little luncheon and we invited some of the new faces in to eat with us. One of them played guitar and volunteered without being asked to play for our services. Next week we enjoyed the guitarbut after service the worship team and I prayed that we could find someone to use the keyboard that we had. The following week's service we had a new face who spoke to Sue about wanting to play the keyboard for us. Isn't that tangible and measurable? When we prayed over my son that his pain would stop and he wouldn't have any more pain when he lost his fingernail and it happened was that psychosomatic reasoning for an 8 year old? I know it's going to get written off as coincidence or some other excuse, but yoou can't say it's immeasurable or not "real". I'm sure you'll try though.