Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)

[Cato]

Have we developed a forum emergency response protocol if Little Rik breaks containment?

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Just words that mean nothing, you talk of an "outside dimension," but this is precisely what that study was trying to find.  

When you love you don't need intelligence?  What kind of utter nonsense is this?  My dog had more love in her body than any other being I've come across, but I'm damn sure she wouldn't have been able to organise a worldwide study trying to find the very thing you were looking for.  

Little Prik, the bit you don't seem to grasp is that Dr Parnia went into the study with the belief that there was something to find, he actually believed similarly to you.  Yet he found nothing.

Then, because his results didn't find tally with your beliefs, you dismissed the study because he and his very large team didn't know how the "system works."  the system they have been studying for their entire professional careers.

You, who has watched a man climb a tree in Fiji and have been to a few yoga classes.

Narcissist doesn't quite cover it, deluded narcissist would be a better fit.

Considering that you haven't got a clue about what Dr Parnia did let me refresh your dormant memory.
Dr Parnia and his associate Peter Fenwick are of the idea that that brain and mind are separate or at least can separate when the body die and therefore they also believe that the mind is there when the body die.
This i also believe although rather than say the mind i would say the consciousness .
Parnia has also said he is uncertain the brain produces the mind.
This i believe is the case as well.
So far so good.
They did a lot of experiment to see whether there can be any evidence that the mind (my consciousness) is still active and alive once the bloke die.
These experiments did not succeed as we know.
No wonder why.
He and his associate forgot that life after death is 100% outside this physical reality.
You can study as much as you like but until you understand that to know what is outside this physical reality you need a different type of science you will never be able to enter that dimension.
What we know about Parnia is that he is an expert in medicine and that is where all end.
As far as intuitional science which would allow him to understand how the system works outside this physical reality none, zero, nil.  

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Dr Parnia and his associate Peter Fenwick are of the idea that that brain and mind are separate or at least can separate when the body die and therefore they also believe that the mind is there when the body die.

Parnia is SUNY. Not the worst university in the world, but bad enough for all manner of shithead to get its tenure there. By economic default, I'm a victim of it, therefore I should know.

[Crossless2.0]

What drives me crazy about Rik is that he performs a discipline that alters his brain's functioning in such a way that he has experiences that are unusual -- different than but not wholly unrelated to the experiences of people on mind altering substances or people experiencing NDE (I mean this in the sense that his brain's electro-chemical functioning is different than it is during everyday life) -- and doesn't make the connection between what he's doing and how that affects him physically. As long as he insists that he is really tapping into another dimension of reality, rather than inducing a different state of brain function, there is really no conversation to be had as far as I'm concerned.

Having had some experience with meditation, I can affirm that it can lead to experiences that are unusual compared to everyday waking consciousness and worth having. I just never made the mistake of thinking that what I experienced was anything other than an altered brain state.

[Simon Moon]

What drives me crazy about Rik is that he performs a discipline that alters his brain's functioning in such a way that he has experiences that are unusual -- different than but not wholly unrelated to the experiences of people on mind altering substances or people experiencing NDE (I mean this in the sense that his brain's electro-chemical functioning is different than it is during everyday life) -- and doesn't make the connection between what he's doing and how that affects him physically. As long as he insists that he is really tapping into another dimension of reality, rather than inducing a different state of brain function, there is really no conversation to be had as far as I'm concerned.

Having had some experience with meditation, I can affirm that it can lead to experiences that are unusual compared to everyday waking consciousness and worth having. I just never made the mistake of thinking that what I experienced was anything other than an altered brain state.

I too, have meditated for much of my life, and have been doing  yoga for the last 10 years (really helps with my surfing).


I have also experienced some pretty profound mental states from these practices. But that is exactly what they are, mental states. With wholly natural explanations.

They are proven to alter brain chemistry, and brain frequency. Nothing more.


The problem is, Rik hears his teachers, or reads books, that tell him he is tapping into another reality, and since they are in the position of authority, he believes them.

[Little Rik]

What drives me crazy about Rik is that he performs a discipline that alters his brain's functioning in such a way that he has experiences that are unusual -- different than but not wholly unrelated to the experiences of people on mind altering substances or people experiencing NDE (I mean this in the sense that his brain's electro-chemical functioning is different than it is during everyday life) -- and doesn't make the connection between what he's doing and how that affects him physically. As long as he insists that he is really tapping into another dimension of reality, rather than inducing a different state of brain function, there is really no conversation to be had as far as I'm concerned.

Having had some experience with meditation, I can affirm that it can lead to experiences that are unusual compared to everyday waking consciousness and worth having. I just never made the mistake of thinking that what I experienced was anything other than an altered brain state.

I have seen thousand of people who started yoga.
Out of this thousand maybe 20-30 continue for sometime.
Out of this 20-30 maybe 2 or 3 continue until they reach a very high degree of consciousness.
This way of carry on apply to almost everything that require a lot of effort as
we can see even in the material-physical-mental world.
Many people finish the primary school, less finish the high school and even less reach a degree in something.
Yoga is even more difficult than reaching the uni because to study you mainly need good brain effort
but in yoga you need a lot lot more.
It is a whole effort as far as body-mind and subconscious mind is concern.
To cut it short it is obvious that you will find a lot of people who engage in yoga for a while or even for longer but with little application to say that yoga doesn't work.
It is all very obvious to me.
The rule is .......NO REAL EFFORT = NO REAL RESULTS.
Obvious.  

[God of Mr. Hanky]

What drives me crazy about Rik is that he performs a discipline that alters his brain's functioning in such a way that he has experiences that are unusual -- different than but not wholly unrelated to the experiences of people on mind altering substances or people experiencing NDE (I mean this in the sense that his brain's electro-chemical functioning is different than it is during everyday life) -- and doesn't make the connection between what he's doing and how that affects him physically. As long as he insists that he is really tapping into another dimension of reality, rather than inducing a different state of brain function, there is really no conversation to be had as far as I'm concerned.

Having had some experience with meditation, I can affirm that it can lead to experiences that are unusual compared to everyday waking consciousness and worth having. I just never made the mistake of thinking that what I experienced was anything other than an altered brain state.

I have seen thousand of people who started yoga.
Out of this thousand maybe 20-30 continue for sometime.
Out of this 20-30 maybe 2 or 3 continue until they reach a very high degree of consciousness.
This way of carry on apply to almost everything that require a lot of effort as
we can see even in the material-physical-mental world.
Many people finish the primary school, less finish the high school and even less reach a degree in something.
Yoga is even more difficult than reaching the uni because to study you mainly need good brain effort
but in yoga you need a lot lot more.
It is a whole effort as far as body-mind and subconscious mind is concern.
To cut it short it is obvious that you will find a lot of people who engage in yoga for a while or even for longer but with little application to say that yoga doesn't work.
It is all very obvious to me.
The rule is .......NO REAL EFFORT = NO REAL RESULTS.
Obvious.  

The rule is that when most of world's best brain experts say otherwise, knowing more than Parnia, or they don't interpret his results the way your teachers who know nothing other than selections from their bibles do, then your results probably don't mean what you think they do.

OBVIOUS.

You don't know jack, and your word salad suggests severe brain damage. Yoga, when overdone, can result in that by causing oxygen starvation.

[Little Rik]

I have seen thousand of people who started yoga.
Out of this thousand maybe 20-30 continue for sometime.
Out of this 20-30 maybe 2 or 3 continue until they reach a very high degree of consciousness.
This way of carry on apply to almost everything that require a lot of effort as
we can see even in the material-physical-mental world.
Many people finish the primary school, less finish the high school and even less reach a degree in something.
Yoga is even more difficult than reaching the uni because to study you mainly need good brain effort
but in yoga you need a lot lot more.
It is a whole effort as far as body-mind and subconscious mind is concern.
To cut it short it is obvious that you will find a lot of people who engage in yoga for a while or even for longer but with little application to say that yoga doesn't work.
It is all very obvious to me.
The rule is .......NO REAL EFFORT = NO REAL RESULTS.
Obvious.  

The rule is that when most of world's best brain experts say otherwise, knowing more than Parnia, or they don't interpret his results the way your teachers who know nothing other than selections from their bibles do, then your results probably don't mean what you think they do.

OBVIOUS.

You don't know jack, and your word salad suggests severe brain damage. Yoga, when overdone, can result in that by causing oxygen starvation.

Put in this way Hank.
I am not going around stating so called truth (unproven truth) like you guys do all the time.
(the universe started with the big bang, the consciousness originate from the brain, we only got the physical senses, the consciousness that we got come thanks to previous generation and so on)
Now if according to you i am brain damage what about you guys that come up with these unproven
statement all the time?
You surely must be damage not only in the brain but everywhere from top to bottom.
OBVIOUS HANK.
You never thought about that Hank, did you?  

[Whateverist]

I have seen thousand of people who started yoga.
Out of this thousand maybe 20-30 continue for sometime.
Out of this 20-30 maybe 2 or 3 continue until they reach a very high degree of consciousness.
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.
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The rule is .......NO REAL EFFORT = NO REAL RESULTS.

Rik, you poor bastard. There really is no way out for you is there? You are trapped by your own stamina to persevere until you drop, aren't you? If only you trusted more in yourself than you do. But you are saddled to the teacher you respect so much. And now he is dead so he can't help you call it off. If it helps, I give you permission to strike out on your own. Go be your own man.

(Assuming that isn't going to happen, try to enjoy a sunset or two or perhaps a sexy yogina's yoni.)

[God of Mr. Hanky]

The rule is that when most of world's best brain experts say otherwise, knowing more than Parnia, or they don't interpret his results the way your teachers who know nothing other than selections from their bibles do, then your results probably don't mean what you think they do.

OBVIOUS.

You don't know jack, and your word salad suggests severe brain damage. Yoga, when overdone, can result in that by causing oxygen starvation.

Put in this way Hank.
I am not going around stating so called truth (unproven truth) like you guys do all the time.
(the universe started with the big bang, the consciousness originate from the brain, we only got the physical senses, the consciousness that we got come thanks to previous generation and so on)
Now if according to you i am brain damage what about you guys that come up with these unproven
statement all the time?
You surely must be damage not only in the brain but everywhere from top to bottom.
OBVIOUS HANK.

No, the only thing which is obvious is that you suffer from severe narcissism, possibly severe brain damage, and that nothing you say makes the least bit of sense.

You never thought about that Hank, did you?  

Never thought of what? I'm not playing the one-ups game with you, I prefer a challenge when I do that.

You really need to start talking with people outside of your church group, and your wooful yoga master. You need psychological help and cognitive therapy regardless if what you think you are experiencing really means what you think it does.

Suppose you happen to be right, that your experience really is proof that your consciousness can exist outside of your body. If so, then it will stand up to alternative explanations, if you were to examine them with the openness with which you have first did the one which you've decided so wishfully on. But you refuse to do this, you just keep repeating the same childish crap which isn't convincing anyone who doesn't want to be convinced - no proof to be seen here! The question is why you do this instead of actually consider different ideas. I think it's because you are desperately afraid that you are wrong, so desperately afraid that you aren't an eternal being and the implications of that, so here you are trying to protect what you know is a delusion against a truth which you fear as unacceptable. You just use this forum as a place where you fool yourself by writing out the happy lies over and over until you believe them. You can fool yourself, but that won't change the truth, and it really won't make you a better person at all!

No, you're not, and you really aren't fooling anybody on that! You don't listen to anyone else outside of your echo chamber, and if it weren't from your programming as an infant, then you wouldn't actually listen to them either.

The first step to good any level of listening is accept the possibility that the person who is trying to tell you something may have something valid to say, even if it conflicts with your own ideas or beliefs.

[Little Rik]

Put in this way Hank.
I am not going around stating so called truth (unproven truth) like you guys do all the time.
(the universe started with the big bang, the consciousness originate from the brain, we only got the physical senses, the consciousness that we got come thanks to previous generation and so on)
Now if according to you i am brain damage what about you guys that come up with these unproven
statement all the time?
You surely must be damage not only in the brain but everywhere from top to bottom.
OBVIOUS HANK.

No, the only thing which is obvious is that you suffer from severe narcissism, possibly severe brain damage, and that nothing you say makes the least bit of sense.

You never thought about that Hank, did you?  

Never thought of what? I'm not playing the one-ups game with you, I prefer a challenge when I do that.

You really need to start talking with people outside of your church group, and your wooful yoga master. You need psychological help and cognitive therapy regardless if what you think you are experiencing really means what you think it does.

Suppose you happen to be right, that your experience really is proof that your consciousness can exist outside of your body. If so, then it will stand up to alternative explanations, if you were to examine them with the openness with which you have first did the one which you've decided so wishfully on. But you refuse to do this, you just keep repeating the same childish crap which isn't convincing anyone who doesn't want to be convinced - no proof to be seen here! The question is why you do this instead of actually consider different ideas. I think it's because you are desperately afraid that you are wrong, so desperately afraid that you aren't an eternal being and the implications of that, so here you are trying to protect what you know is a delusion against a truth which you fear as unacceptable. You just use this forum as a place where you fool yourself by writing out the happy lies over and over until you believe them. You can fool yourself, but that won't change the truth, and it really won't make you a better person at all!

No, you're not, and you really aren't fooling anybody on that! You don't listen to anyone else outside of your echo chamber, and if it weren't from your programming as an infant, then you wouldn't actually listen to them either.
The first step to good any level of listening is accept the possibility that the person who is trying to tell you something may have something valid to say, even if it conflicts with your own ideas or beliefs.

All i can see is a lot of blah, blah, blahhhhhh crap and not a single comment that would justify your failing
as pointed out in my previous post in which i show you your many dogmas (unproven statements).
Why?
Simple, you can not provide any evidence of whatsoever that your statement are correct so what you do?
You do exactly what all cretins that can not justify their stupidity do and that is to engage in personal attack.  
You just follow your demented mate the Nutter into engaging in personal attack in the hope that your failing get forgotten but forgotten will not be or at least they will not until i will be kicked out this forum.
You guys remind me those journalists that get shot for bringing up the rot.
The killers think it is an easy way to get rid of the problem but on the long run it just doesn't work.  
Have a good day anyway.