Confessions of a former Christian fundamentalist.

[Delicate]

It's not impossible. Just difficult. Given a couple decades and developments, who knows what can be possible.

Besides, falsifiability is determined in principle, and practical difficulties don't mean something is in principle impossible.

So I don't think there's a case for unfalsifiability here.

People do not rise from the dead; that's our experience.  Once you're declared to be clinically dead, absent a mistake, you remain dead.  In the case of Jesus, no medical doctor was on the scene to pronounce clinical death; we have no death certificate.  Having said that, I think that Jesus did die, and any so-called "visions" of him after that were bereavement visions, which got embellished over time.

People usually don't rise from the dead. That's consistent with what Christians believe.

We just don't believe it's impossible. And by the way, quantum mechanics says the same thing.

As for the visions, that interpretation doesn't make sense. Are your saying it's a mass hallucination

[Crossless2.0]

People do not rise from the dead; that's our experience.  Once you're declared to be clinically dead, absent a mistake, you remain dead.  In the case of Jesus, no medical doctor was on the scene to pronounce clinical death; we have no death certificate.  Having said that, I think that Jesus did die, and any so-called "visions" of him after that were bereavement visions, which got embellished over time.

People usually don't rise from the dead. That's consistent with what Christians believe.

We just don't believe it's impossible. And by the way, quantum mechanics says the same thing.

As for the visions, that interpretation doesn't make sense. Are your saying it's a mass hallucination

Ah, quantum mechanics . . .  the last refuge of woo peddlers who don't remotely understand the topic and the math that girds it.

[Delicate]

People usually don't rise from the dead. That's consistent with what Christians believe.

We just don't believe it's impossible. And by the way, quantum mechanics says the same thing.

As for the visions, that interpretation doesn't make sense. Are your saying it's a mass hallucination

Ah, quantum mechanics . . .  the last refuge of woo peddlers who don't remotely understand the topic and the math that girds it.

What you're saying sounds more like woo than any appeal to QM I'm making.

You're brainwashed. Seriously.

[Crossless2.0]

Ah, quantum mechanics . . .  the last refuge of woo peddlers who don't remotely understand the topic and the math that girds it.

What you're saying sounds more like woo than any appeal to QM I'm making.

You're brainwashed. Seriously.

You're a troll and an asshole. Seriously.

But keep up that stunning witness for Christ. You're doing great!

Edited to add: Your bio pretty much says everything we need to know about how seriously to take you. "I used to be an apatheist. Then I heard Richard Dawkins speak, saw how ridiculous he was and I became a born-again Christian." Yeah, that's some sharp reasoning, troll. Or is it Poe?

[Jehanne]

People do not rise from the dead; that's our experience.  Once you're declared to be clinically dead, absent a mistake, you remain dead.  In the case of Jesus, no medical doctor was on the scene to pronounce clinical death; we have no death certificate.  Having said that, I think that Jesus did die, and any so-called "visions" of him after that were bereavement visions, which got embellished over time.

People usually don't rise from the dead. That's consistent with what Christians believe.

We just don't believe it's impossible. And by the way, quantum mechanics says the same thing.

As for the visions, that interpretation doesn't make sense. Are your saying it's a mass hallucination

You have no evidence that there was a "mass" to begin with.  Large numbers of individuals may have claimed to have "seen" the postmortem Jesus at the same time, and later on, simply combined and embellished their experiences after that.  The so-called "Miracle of the Sun" is an example of this; disparate accounts of individuals who claimed to have seen the Sun "dance" in the sky, while others claimed to have seen nothing at all, while others still vehemently denied that anything at all happened.  And yet, "some doubted" (Matthew 28:17) speaks volumes as to the fact that nothing at all happened in the case of Jesus.  After all, if Jesus truly rose from the dead then there should have been no doubts whatsoever as to that "fact".

[Brian37]

People do not rise from the dead; that's our experience.  Once you're declared to be clinically dead, absent a mistake, you remain dead.  In the case of Jesus, no medical doctor was on the scene to pronounce clinical death; we have no death certificate.  Having said that, I think that Jesus did die, and any so-called "visions" of him after that were bereavement visions, which got embellished over time.

People usually don't rise from the dead. That's consistent with what Christians believe.

We just don't believe it's impossible. And by the way, quantum mechanics says the same thing.

As for the visions, that interpretation doesn't make sense. Are your saying it's a mass hallucination

No, they don't come back EVER. There is a medical window, which can mean misdiagnosis, the vitals flying under the radar but not beyond the window. As the story is intended the reader to believe, Jesus went beyond that window. Now if he/God/Jesus, were a really supernatural being, funny how we never see decapitated humans come back. Now here is where you cop out to "yea his body died, but his spirit lived". Ok why not write the story with Jesus being beheaded and regrow his own head on the spot?

There is no such thing as a soul or spirit. There is only human flawed perceptions because of fear of being finite. Life evolved with fight or flight which is why we look both ways when crossing the street. But there is no afterlife. That is a gap filling idea to avoid thinking about our finality. Do you think about how horrible your pre life was, or how Jesus or God will punish you for all the time before you were born? How did that non existence feel?

When your body dies you die, that is it. Try smashing the computer you type your arguments on with a sledge hammer then expect it to work the same. Try expecting a totaled car to work the same as one that is in tact.

Jesus is a myth. The idea of ascension into heaven and an afterlife is much older than the modern monotheistic religions. Long before Jesus, the Egyptian god Horus was claimed to be the divine savior of humanity and ascended into the afterlife to sit in judgment of humans under the head god Ra and his father Osiris.

[Angrboda]

People usually don't rise from the dead. That's consistent with what Christians believe.

We just don't believe it's impossible. And by the way, quantum mechanics says the same thing.

Jesus was supposedly raised from the dead by the power of God. QM says no such thing as that.

So, no, QM and Christianity do not say the same thing.

[Delicate]

People usually don't rise from the dead. That's consistent with what Christians believe.

We just don't believe it's impossible. And by the way, quantum mechanics says the same thing.

As for the visions, that interpretation doesn't make sense. Are your saying it's a mass hallucination

No, they don't come back EVER. There is a medical window, which can mean misdiagnosis, the vitals flying under the radar but not beyond the window. As the story is intended the reader to believe, Jesus went beyond that window. Now if he/God/Jesus, were a really supernatural being, funny how we never see decapitated humans come back. Now here is where you cop out to "yea his body died, but his spirit lived". Ok why not write the story with Jesus being beheaded and regrow his own head on the spot?

There is no such thing as a soul or spirit. There is only human flawed perceptions because of fear of being finite. Life evolved with fight or flight which is why we look both ways when crossing the street. But there is no afterlife. That is a gap filling idea to avoid thinking about our finality. Do you think about how horrible your pre life was, or how Jesus or God will punish you for all the time before you were born? How did that non existence feel?

When your body dies you die, that is it. Try smashing the computer you type your arguments on with a sledge hammer then expect it to work the same. Try expecting a totaled car to work the same as one that is in tact.

Jesus is a myth. The idea of ascension into heaven and an afterlife is much older than the modern monotheistic religions. Long before Jesus, the Egyptian god Horus was claimed to be the divine savior of humanity and ascended into the afterlife to sit in judgment of humans under the head god Ra and his father Osiris.

Even if you don't believe in God and miracles QM says resurrection is possible probabilistically. So science says you are wrong.

In addition science doesn't say supernatural events do t happen. Only that they haven't within the domain of observation.

So we have two scientific reasons to reject the impossibility of miracles claim.

Same thing with the soul. Science doesn't say souls don't exist. Maybe you can clarify why you think so. There's certainly no evidence linking belief in souls wholly with fear of finitude.

Likewise with ascension. Perhaps the Horus stories do indeed exist (which is doubtful based on what I've read), but can you prove Jesus was borrowed from Horus?

[Crossless2.0]

Even if you don't believe in God and miracles QM says resurrection is possible probabilistically. So science says you are wrong.

*Sigh*

Ok, what the hell, physics expert. Let's see your calculations for determining the probability of a resurrection event based on QM.

In fact, I'll make it easy for you. Just present the calculations of whichever dipshit apologist "taught" you about QM and how it "supports" resurrection. One of you idiots, somewhere along the line, must have set pencil to paper. Wow us with your insight, stolen or otherwise. Then we'll call in Quantum, who actually does this for a living, and have him check your work. Who knows? You might surprise us all!

Or maybe you'll provide a running AF punchline that will long outlast your stay here.

I'd bet on the latter, if I thought for a moment that you would ever rise to the challenge. But you won't.

[Minimalist]

I also find that religion is falsifiable. At least Christianity is. If you can prove, empirically, that Jesus didn't resurrect, Christianity is false.

There is no evidence that he did, other than the pious blather of later "believers."  Ball is now in your court.  Let's see your evidence.