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RE: How is a personal god different from an anthropomorphic god?
December 29, 2015 at 7:52 am
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Are you clear on what the term means, Del? A god needn't be a raingod to be an anthropomorphic god, right?
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RE: How is a personal god different from an anthropomorphic god?
December 29, 2015 at 8:09 am
(December 29, 2015 at 7:52 am)Rhythm Wrote: Are you clear on what the term means, Del? A god needn't be a raingod to be an anthropomorphic god, right? Of course. But anthropomorphic attribution works a certain way.
At the most abstract level, (1) Take x. (2) instinctively infer x is the product or extension of an anthropomorphic deity.
Almost exclusively, these bad anthropomorphisms are instinctive.
When you pay attention you find very little instinct at play in the origin of Christian theism.
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RE: How is a personal god different from an anthropomorphic god?
December 29, 2015 at 8:15 am
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There are many ways in which a god (or even an inanimate object) can be subjected to anthropomorphism. Can you elaborate as to why you feel that the method makes a difference in this context...and what, specifically, that difference is? I think you'd have to start there, otherwise your statements might be seen as vacuous attempts to evade concession. If you wanted to get really specific, how are we to determine "bad anthro" from "good anthro", regardless of what method it was arrived upon by?
Now, you're aware that the full thrust of anthro criticism is that there are few to no examples of "good anthro"...yes? That this is precisely the point of contention, this is why anthro raises suspicion? You understand that you are hinting at an incredibly bold claim, don't you? This had better be good, lol.
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RE: How is a personal god different from an anthropomorphic god?
December 29, 2015 at 8:20 am
Common sense should tell you that some anthr. are good and others are bad. Or some are accurate and others are not.
I'm starting small here so we can try and stay on the same page.
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RE: How is a personal god different from an anthropomorphic god?
December 29, 2015 at 8:22 am
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Mouthing the word "common sense" explains nothing. That's what's behind this fantastic claim of yours.....an appeal to an un-described "common sense"? Starting small indeed.
Fuck common sense. -You- tell me which is good and which is bad. -You- tell me how to determine that. -You- provide examples of each.
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RE: How is a personal god different from an anthropomorphic god?
December 29, 2015 at 3:16 pm
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(December 29, 2015 at 8:22 am)Rhythm Wrote: Mouthing the word "common sense" explains nothing. That's what's behind this fantastic claim of yours.....an appeal to an un-described "common sense"? Starting small indeed.
Fuck common sense. -You- tell me which is good and which is bad. -You- tell me how to determine that. -You- provide examples of each. How about toning down the sudden explosion of rage first.
Take a breather, realize your outburst of emotion is unwarranted and unnecessary, and give it another shot.
When you're back, I'll respond.
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RE: How is a personal god different from an anthropomorphic god?
December 29, 2015 at 5:35 pm
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LOL, such a staller. Your troll-fu is weak.
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RE: How is a personal god different from an anthropomorphic god?
December 29, 2015 at 8:40 pm
(December 28, 2015 at 11:10 pm)Nestor Wrote: (December 28, 2015 at 10:49 pm)Pizza Wrote: Imagine a scale 0 to 1, 0 being very much not like a human, 1 very much like a human, and 0.5 being in the middle.
Let's say we go along with personal cause (defined as a cause with rationality, self-consciousness, volition) existing, I see no reason to assume this cause would have to be near 1 on the scale in terms of thought and behavior patterns. Why not 0.5, 0.4, or lower? Why does a personal cause need to be very much human-like? Allah can probably considered to be such a deity. I guess a deistic god, Platoistic god, and a pantheist god would all be closer to the 0, the Christian god would be closer to 1. That's mostly what I'm thinking. I'm just thinking out loud here.
The main reason I pointed out this problem of what a personal god is is because theists seem to move too quickly to claims about the nature of god without much argument at all and overstate their case. For example, like how Craig will just take it as a given that a personal cause is very much like a human based on his KCA. I don't see why a personal cause couldn't be radically inhuman, or even why a cause couldn't just have person-like (processes similar to rationality, self-consciousness, volition yet different) traits but be more like a force of nature than a human. Apologists seem to just skip over these difficulties. They can't handle thinking in grayscale and degrees about the issue of what a "god" could be.
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RE: How is a personal god different from an anthropomorphic god?
December 29, 2015 at 9:39 pm
Well, the thing is that we ARE a part of nature, i.e. nature acts through us, not from us. So a personal God would have feelings-- and would need to have something to have feelings ABOUT. It would need a will-- and would need some reason to choose one action over another.
In other words, a personal God fails to infinite regress pretty much right away.
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RE: How is a personal god different from an anthropomorphic god?
December 29, 2015 at 10:53 pm
(December 29, 2015 at 5:35 pm)Rhythm Wrote: LOL, such a staller. Your troll-fu is weak. He said, stroking his neckbeard as a thin film of Cheetos dust coated his mantits.
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