My heart is breaking... I thought Christians are suppose to love "unconditionally"

[Drich]

You. Are. Fucking. Vile.

He is.  he overuses that ROTFL emogi, and always to express vicious (albeit undemonstrable and therefore unjustifiable) derision. 

It just shuts down any value of conversation with him,
if he's going to be so calculatedly, relentlessly, arrogantly, needlessly, remorselessly unkind and condescending.

I draw comfort from the fact that his belief basically hinges on a determination to delude himself no matter what
and that there is, in all likelihood, absolutely zero reward  waiting for him in eternity...for all his troubles.

I ordinarily don't take pleasure, per se, in the disappointment I think awaits most Theists,
because many are kind and humble, at least;

but he is the very cankerous type of toothache of a Theist that first gave me my earliest reasons to despise religion.

There is such a thing as being a "good ambassador of Christ".

He is anything but.

I used the Roflol emoji to break or protest the sympathy the OP was trying to establish. then as a bonus I got to be cold and intentionally to the point, because of the underlining severity of attempted manipulation the OP put into his original post. That is why I asked if this was all real.  Because what the OP has done is no different than a priest using religion/his authority to molest little boys. The OP wanted to use the same religion to force some girl into a relationship with him, by intentionally manipulating a key principle of the religion.

People who do this sort of thing should never go unchecked. These are the seeds of thought that make men evil monsters. therefore they should be ripped out by the root, not coddled or nursed.

It is not the fault of the girl nor the religion that the OP is trying to manipulate them both into 'loving him' unconditionally. what kind of monsters allows anyone to do this? would you allow a priesor really any member of the church t to use their religion to get what he wants sexually by holding some precept over someone else? Then what's the difference here? Are you so foolish as to not see the manipulation the OP was attempting to use? or because he claims to now be an atheist he can not do any wrong to anyone in the church?

[Drich]

Is this real?

Are you seriously saying Christians can't break up with people because You think they are supposed to love unconditionally?

If so, know your answer is no. No Christian's are not supposed to Love unconditionally. God does not love unconditionally.

Ever read John 3:16? "For God so loved the world that He gave his only Son that whosoever believes in Him..."

Did you see that? "That Whosoever believes..." That my broken hearted emo friend is a condition to God's love. "Do this and get that." That being ever lasting life.

So that means your girl can come and go/love as she likes, till she gets married, then she will be trapped forever/till death 'smiling' at her husband.

Plus look on the bright side, your an atheist now, and you can find 'happiness' in the 3 P's. Pot, Porn and Pizza! isn't that the reason no one want's to acknowledge God anymore? Plus you can buy a bunch of black cloths get everything pierced twice and drive your parents nuts! that seems to be alot of fun for people who don't get what/who they want now a days!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhkNLHictW8

oh, I'm shocked dry sand! That you would use a youtube video to do your talking for you!!

[dyresand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhkNLHictW8

oh, I'm shocked dry sand! That you would use a youtube video to do your talking for you!!

[rexbeccarox]

He is.  he overuses that ROTFL emogi, and always to express vicious (albeit undemonstrable and therefore unjustifiable) derision. 

It just shuts down any value of conversation with him,
if he's going to be so calculatedly, relentlessly, arrogantly, needlessly, remorselessly unkind and condescending.

I draw comfort from the fact that his belief basically hinges on a determination to delude himself no matter what
and that there is, in all likelihood, absolutely zero reward  waiting for him in eternity...for all his troubles.

I ordinarily don't take pleasure, per se, in the disappointment I think awaits most Theists,
because many are kind and humble, at least;

but he is the very cankerous type of toothache of a Theist that first gave me my earliest reasons to despise religion.

There is such a thing as being a "good ambassador of Christ".

He is anything but.

I used the Roflol emoji to break or protest the sympathy the OP was trying to establish. then as a bonus I got to be cold and intentionally to the point, because of the underlining severity of attempted manipulation the OP put into his original post. That is why I asked if this was all real.  Because what the OP has done is no different than a priest using religion/his authority to molest little boys. The OP wanted to use the same religion to force some girl into a relationship with him, by intentionally manipulating a key principle of the religion.

People who do this sort of thing should never go unchecked. These are the seeds of thought that make men evil monsters. therefore they should be ripped out by the root, not coddled or nursed.

It is not the fault of the girl nor the religion that the OP is trying to manipulate them both into 'loving him' unconditionally. what kind of monsters allows anyone to do this? would you allow a priesor really any member of the church t to use their religion to get what he wants sexually by holding some precept over someone else? Then what's the difference here? Are you so foolish as to not see the manipulation the OP was attempting to use? or because he claims to now be an atheist he can not do any wrong to anyone in the church?

Please, oh horrid one, give us one example from the OP in which he hints at wanting to manipulate anyone. The dude is going through a breakup, merely asking for advice, and you are laughing at him and mocking him. There is seriously something wrong with you.

[MTL]

He is.  he overuses that ROTFL emogi, and always to express vicious (albeit undemonstrable and therefore unjustifiable) derision. 

It just shuts down any value of conversation with him,
if he's going to be so calculatedly, relentlessly, arrogantly, needlessly, remorselessly unkind and condescending.

I draw comfort from the fact that his belief basically hinges on a determination to delude himself no matter what
and that there is, in all likelihood, absolutely zero reward  waiting for him in eternity...for all his troubles.

I ordinarily don't take pleasure, per se, in the disappointment I think awaits most Theists,
because many are kind and humble, at least;

but he is the very cankerous type of toothache of a Theist that first gave me my earliest reasons to despise religion.

There is such a thing as being a "good ambassador of Christ".

He is anything but.

I used the Roflol emoji to break or protest the sympathy the OP was trying to establish. then as a bonus I got to be cold and intentionally to the point, because of the underlining severity of attempted manipulation the OP put into his original post. That is why I asked if this was all real.  Because what the OP has done is no different than a priest using religion/his authority to molest little boys. The OP wanted to use the same religion to force some girl into a relationship with him, by intentionally manipulating a key principle of the religion.

People who do this sort of thing should never go unchecked. These are the seeds of thought that make men evil monsters. therefore they should be ripped out by the root, not coddled or nursed.

It is not the fault of the girl nor the religion that the OP is trying to manipulate them both into 'loving him' unconditionally. what kind of monsters allows anyone to do this? would you allow a priesor really any member of the church t to use their religion to get what he wants sexually by holding some precept over someone else? Then what's the difference here? Are you so foolish as to not see the manipulation the OP was attempting to use? or because he claims to now be an atheist he can not do any wrong to anyone in the church?

What a great steaming pile of fresh sanctimonious horseshit.

Number one, if there's anything in this world that should not go unchecked,
it is Religion...it is responsible for plenty of those seeds of evil you talked about.

Secondly, I don't know what you're babbling about...the OP was heartbroken because his choice of Atheism
made his girlfriend reject HIM, not the other way around.

Finally, it's beside the point:

I'm talking about your self-satisfied, condescending style of reply...regardless of conversational subject matter.

(As if you actually know what you're talking about, with any more certainty, than any other human being).

You're just a wall of insults and put-downs and ridicule.

So fuck off.

[*Deidre*]

I wouldn't call His love hinging on 'conditions.' But, rather He would like for us to live our best lives, and that requires us to follow His plan. (everyone's rolling their eyes) But, it had to be said.

...and if we don't and do not accept Christ are we still promised love or wrath?

Unconditional= without reservation or without condition. Accepting Christ is indeed a condition.
John 3:16 spells out God's conditions.

What of those in whom the bible records God hating?

I happen to believe that God loves everyone without the need for them to accept Christ. But, not everyone believes in God or loves Him. Any relationship will fall short when it's just a one way street...even human ones, as we know. God's love for us doesn't hinge on ours for Him. Just my pov

ETA, My view on Jesus is He came to help mankind, not to dictate to it that if man doesn't follow Jesus, God will stop loving him. His teachings were more to say, you will live a far better life if you do follow Me. Again, it's about a relationship, as I see it. This doesn't mean someone who doesn't follow Jesus won't live a good life, or that God won't love him/her. It only means that Jesus' teachings were to help us not hinder us. God wants a relationship with us, but He won't force that on us. I believe God still loved me when I stopped believing in Him. (I've come to that conclusion, upon returning to faith) This in a nutshell, is the essence of my new found faith.

[drfuzzy]

...and if we don't and do not accept Christ are we still promised love or wrath?

Unconditional= without reservation or without condition. Accepting Christ is indeed a condition.
John 3:16 spells out God's conditions.

What of those in whom the bible records God hating?

I happen to believe that God loves everyone without the need for them to accept Christ. But, not everyone believes in God or loves Him. Any relationship will fall short when it's just a one way street...even human ones, as we know. God's love for us doesn't hinge on ours for Him. Just my pov

ETA, My view on Jesus is He came to help mankind, not to dictate to it that if man doesn't follow Jesus, God will stop loving him. His teachings were more to say, you will live a far better life if you do follow Me. Again, it's about a relationship, as I see it. This doesn't mean someone who doesn't follow Jesus won't live a good life, or that God won't love him/her. It only means that Jesus' teachings were to help us not hinder us. God wants a relationship with us, but He won't force that on us. I believe God still loved me when I stopped believing in Him. (I've come to that conclusion, upon returning to faith) This in a nutshell, is the essence of my new found faith.

John 15:5-6 "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.   If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

Aside from the overused and much debated John 3:16, with it's "no man cometh to the Father except through Me", how do you explain the blue passage above?  Jesus talked a whole lot about hell, and weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth - for whoever did not obey/follow him.  

I take that to mean that God (if god exists, which I'm betting he doesn't) is going to fry me forever for saying that Jesus was an asshole about a lot of things, and wasn't "godlike" at all.  That doesn't sound very loving to me.

[*Deidre*]

I happen to believe that God loves everyone without the need for them to accept Christ. But, not everyone believes in God or loves Him. Any relationship will fall short when it's just a one way street...even human ones, as we know. God's love for us doesn't hinge on ours for Him. Just my pov

ETA, My view on Jesus is He came to help mankind, not to dictate to it that if man doesn't follow Jesus, God will stop loving him. His teachings were more to say, you will live a far better life if you do follow Me. Again, it's about a relationship, as I see it. This doesn't mean someone who doesn't follow Jesus won't live a good life, or that God won't love him/her. It only means that Jesus' teachings were to help us not hinder us. God wants a relationship with us, but He won't force that on us. I believe God still loved me when I stopped believing in Him. (I've come to that conclusion, upon returning to faith) This in a nutshell, is the essence of my new found faith.

John 15:5-6 "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.   If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

Aside from the overused and much debated John 3:16, with it's "no man cometh to the Father except through Me", how do you explain the blue passage above?  Jesus talked a whole lot about hell, and weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth - for whoever did not obey/follow him.  

I take that to mean that God (if god exists, which I'm betting he doesn't) is going to fry me forever for saying that Jesus was an asshole about a lot of things, and wasn't "godlike" at all.  That doesn't sound very loving to me.

I'm not really a Bible scholar, so there are passages that to me, don't fit with Jesus as a loving man who seemed peaceful and not forceful at all in how he approached people. Let me ask you though...why do you have any opinion of Jesus, if you don't believe he existed? When I left Christianity, and eventually identified as an atheist, I was indifferent to the idea of Jesus. I thought maybe he existed at some point in history, but didn't think he was an asshole, etc. Or are you just saying how he is characterized in the Bible, you feel he is depicted as an asshole? Just wondering ....because many Christians believe that atheists 'hate' God, etc...and my thought to that is why would anyone hate something he/she doesn't believe? It's more on an indifference for most atheists, as I once felt anyways.

[drfuzzy]

John 15:5-6 "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.   If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

Aside from the overused and much debated John 3:16, with it's "no man cometh to the Father except through Me", how do you explain the blue passage above?  Jesus talked a whole lot about hell, and weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth - for whoever did not obey/follow him.  

I take that to mean that God (if god exists, which I'm betting he doesn't) is going to fry me forever for saying that Jesus was an asshole about a lot of things, and wasn't "godlike" at all.  That doesn't sound very loving to me.

I'm not really a Bible scholar, so there are passages that to me, don't fit with Jesus as a loving man who seemed peaceful and not forceful at all in how he approached people. Let me ask you though...why do you have any opinion of Jesus, if you don't believe he existed? When I left Christianity, and eventually identified as an atheist, I was indifferent to the idea of Jesus. I thought maybe he existed at some point in history, but didn't think he was an asshole, etc. Or are you just saying how he is characterized in the Bible, you feel he is depicted as an asshole? Just wondering ....because many Christians believe that atheists 'hate' God, etc...and my thought to that is why would anyone hate something he/she doesn't believe? It's more on an indifference for most atheists, as I once felt anyways.

I was raised Pentecostal.  I had to quote newly-memorized Bible verses before dinner every night.  So people make a reference, they sometimes pop into my head.  When friends describe Jesus as nothing but lovey-dovey, I sometimes question that viewpoint.  Personally, I couldn't care less what he said or didn't say - - unless someone starts throwing verses back at me and insisting that I believe or else.

[Mystic]

dr fuzzy, this has to do with spiritual nature of the universe. Jesus was the light and guide of that time, however, people unaware of proofs towards Jesus are obviously not addressed by such verses.

He is referring to specifically his audience, who are aware of his station. He was their connection to God.