The NEW 4 Step Perfect Proof for God of the Bible

[ozgoat]

What could be simpler? Live how you want, just believe, and YOU'RE IN!!!

So true! You've obviously got more patience than I have, 'cos I don't even bother debating Christians any more.

"Intellectual Christian" is an oxymoron.

[theVOID]

I can't believe I missed this thread Way to copy/paste Craig...

[DeistPaladin]

The fact that Christianity has to reward belief and punish disbelief so profoundly is perhaps the strongest indication that it's all made up.

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"Intellectual Christian" is an oxymoron.

That's not true. Some of them are very intelligent liars.

[KichigaiNeko]

What could be simpler? Live how you want, just believe, and YOU'RE IN!!!

So true! You've obviously got more patience than I have, 'cos I don't even bother debating Christians any more.

"Intellectual Christian" is an oxymoron.

It's the most frustrating thing ever to see the world for what it really is, only to have theists tell me that I've just switched my "faith" from God to science. I think my patience is reaching its end, but every time I think about retiring my blog, I just think that if just one person reads it and breaks away from religious enslavement, then it's worth it because I remember how much guilt Christianity created for myself. My dad died of alcoholism, and his fundamental Christian beliefs just extrapolated the guilt, thus snowballing his problem until it was too late. You're right though, it's a waste of time debating 99.9% of theists because they feel attacked if you try to take their "divine investment" away from them.

Aww don't stress it. Why would you retire from your blog??

[ragzy02]

What could be simpler? Live how you want, just believe, and YOU'RE IN!!!

So true! You've obviously got more patience than I have, 'cos I don't even bother debating Christians any more.

"Intellectual Christian" is an oxymoron.

It's the most frustrating thing ever to see the world for what it really is, only to have theists tell me that I've just switched my "faith" from God to science. I think my patience is reaching its end, but every time I think about retiring my blog, I just think that if just one person reads it and breaks away from religious enslavement, then it's worth it because I remember how much guilt Christianity created for myself. My dad died of alcoholism, and his fundamental Christian beliefs just extrapolated the guilt, thus snowballing his problem until it was too late. You're right though, it's a waste of time debating 99.9% of theists because they feel attacked if you try to take their "divine investment" away from them.

[theVOID]

You have faith in a non-conclusion? Amazing!

[Ace Otana]

I know this is an old post but I wanted to stimulate my argumentative side of me. A kick start if you will. I'm always at my best after a good long break.

no hard evidence something comes from nothing,

No evidence to say it came from god either.

Something can't come from nothing (non-existence)

Can you back up that assertion? Plus, ever considered that the universe had always existed? Eliminating the need for a god to start it off? Or did you just jump to the whole god thing because it's what you want to be true? Which seems more and more likely the more I debate with theists.

Energy can be neither created nor destroyed.

So how did god do it?

Since nature can't always have existed nor start up from nothing

Anything to back that up with?

The lesser can never produce the greater.

Ah huh. If that were true evolution would be false. Small singular celled bacteria over millions of years evolved to become far more complex lifeforms. Star dust through out the cosmos gather and clump together to form stars, planets, solar systems and galaxies. To say "the lesser does not produce the greater" is to make a claim so huge, that in order to even slightly support is to contradict everything we know now about the universe. The lesser does indeed become the greater. It does so all on there own, which is what makes it all so damn amazing and wonderful.

we should submit ourselves to this evidence, because if a person doesn't, they will surely go to Hell according to Jesus our Creator.

What evidence? Also, you're threatening us with hell now? Care to first prove that there is such a place?

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I've been away for a bit again because I've been in contact with Jessica's sister. So far diplomacy is in play but relations are pretty bad. Trying to arrange a little talk, and I'm at a make or break deal. If I can ease tension and gain some friendly talks, all is good, but if I fail, all is over. Currently waiting for her to respond. Once I've sorted this relations problem out, I'll be on here much more.