Is Quran the proof of God?

[Expired]

I have no interest in being around for eternity, I can't think of anything worse.

I'm making the best life I can for myself and my family while I am here in the real world,  watching my children grow up is my paradise,
I will have no fear of death when my time comes, and will look back on a full, happy and unrestricted life.

That's a beautiful vision to have but I have a question. If ur life is over after u die and u don't believe in any Hereafter how will possibly look back on ur life?

I will look back on my life while my brain is still able to function, in other words while I am alive

[Sheed1980]

I think u totally miss my point. I'm not judging u or anyone else. My job as a Muslim is not to say ur doing wrong my job is to tell u what I believe in and how things will come. I am not trying to change u or anyone else. I can't change u or anyone else. What ur judged on by God won't have a thing to do with me and vice versa. So as I said we have to speak our beliefs as Muslims but what everyone does or doesn't do is their own business

You don't have a job any more than a Christian or Jew or Hindu or atheist. You have a position you like. Our first "job" as a species is to our common good, not our labels. Outside that you are certainly welcome to make any claim you want, and others are legally entitled to respond to the claim through debate, blasphemy and even ridicule. If a claim is credible, it is worthy of scrutiny and can withstand blasphemy. If you need censorship to protect the claim, it is a good sign it is only being protected because of the ego of the person holding it.

QUOTE "Muslims but what everyone does or doesn't do is their own business"

Awesome attitude, I agree. Now maybe you are on board with diversity, but the East is still not up with modern secular law. I would advise Muslims as a whole, instead of always assuming bigotry, yes there is against Muslims, but blasphemy is not always bigotry. I am completely on board with telling assholes like Trump and the xenophobic GOP to shut the fuck up.

But, just like the Bible, the Koran is used as a weapon, and does contain words that are used to justify harm to others. I wish there was a polite way to say that, but there simply is not. ALL holy books must be treated like the weapons they are. For whatever good people look for in them to justify compassion, others use those very same books to justify cruelty.

I will defend say, the likes of Malala, or Muslim Congressman Keith Ellison. No, that doesn't make their god real anymore than defending Martin Luther King Jr makes Jesus the one true son of the god of Abraham. I defend my fellow human because they are a fellow human, not because I agree with every single claim an individual may make.

Humans in general, both left and right politically, far too often confuse rights, with the separate issue of the ability to demonstrate the credibility of any given claim on any subject. Human rights are a given, as they should be. But I'd be just as annoyed if my mom, for example, kept repeating "The New York Yankees won the Superbowl". I love my mom, and even in reality we don't agree on everything, I still love her regardless. 

My position on humans is that they are individuals first. I hate what religion does to politics, be it Sunni vs Shiite, Catholic vs Protestant, Jew vs Muslim, and even in the states, Conservative Christianity vs Liberal Christianity. I have a duty as a fellow human to allow you to make whatever claim you want, but I do not have a duty to remain silent and allow any claim on any subject, even outside religion, to remain unchallenged.

Well I agree with u that humans should do good deeds. This is why Allah specifically tells us over and over again in the Qur'an we must believe and do righteous deeds to succeed. U can't believe in God but be the meanest person or a tyrant to other people. Just as well u can't be the nicest most polite lovable person in the world but be a disbeliever. If u can point out to me where n the Qur'an it is used as a weapon as u say, I can hopefully give u some clarity on it

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That's a beautiful vision to have but I have a question. If ur life is over after u die and u don't believe in any Hereafter how will possibly look back on ur life?

I will look back on my life while my brain is still able to function, in other words while I am alive

OK. I got ya now 

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[Pat Mustard]

Sheed a word of advice; spell your words properly. Right now your posts are very hard for me to read and take seriously.

[Brian37]

I can point out in all the books of Abraham, not just the Koran, where this god calls for or commits violence and murder on rival tribes. It is the same god character.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

Cruelty justified in the Bible

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

Cruelty justified in the Quran

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/.../long.html

Now, if either of these books were universal to humans, and god wanted us to not be violent, then the fact that it contains violent depictions makes it easy for insecure, or jealous or power hungry individuals or groups to cherry pick the books to justify their actions. The fact that non violent humans use them to justify compassion, does not change that it is the same book with the same words. And what would that say about the claimed attribute "all powerful" as a claim? If your goal is to have people get along, why go out of your way and have fallible humans write it for you then blame them for the confusion you didn't have to let happen? Hardly efficient if your goal is peace.

[robvalue]

What is god's goal? How can a god even have goals? If it can't fail to do whatever it wants to do, it's more like shooting fish in a barrel. Yet it repeatedly seems to fail at what it's apparently trying to do anyway.

[Angrboda]

U can't believe in God but be the meanest person or a tyrant to other people. Just as well u can't be the nicest most polite lovable person in the world but be a disbeliever.

Got any evidence that this is the case? In U.S. prisons, atheists are under-represented, and there are more Christians per capita than there should be given representative numbers in the population at large. This would seem to indicate the exact opposite of what you claim here. I think you just pulled this from your ass.

[downbeatplumb]

U can't believe in God but be the meanest person or a tyrant to other people. Just as well u can't be the nicest most polite lovable person in the world but be a disbeliever.

Got any evidence that this is the case?  In U.S. prisons, atheists are under-represented, and there are more Christians per capita than there should be given representative numbers in the population at large.  This would seem to indicate the exact opposite of what you claim here.  I think you just pulled this from your ass.

If religions were nice, religious extremists would be the nicest so and so's around.

[Sheed1980]

U can't believe in God but be the meanest person or a tyrant to other people. Just as well u can't be the nicest most polite lovable person in the world but be a disbeliever.

Got any evidence that this is the case?  In U.S. prisons, atheists are under-represented, and there are more Christians per capita than there should be given representative numbers in the population at large.  This would seem to indicate the exact opposite of what you claim here.  I think you just pulled this from your ass.

Again I'm explaining what we believe in Islam. In the Qur'an numerous times it says "innalladhina amanu wa 'amilu saalihaat" Those who believe and do righteous deeds. So one by itself won't do. Both of them must be done in order to succeed

[Esquilax]

Got any evidence that this is the case?  In U.S. prisons, atheists are under-represented, and there are more Christians per capita than there should be given representative numbers in the population at large.  This would seem to indicate the exact opposite of what you claim here.  I think you just pulled this from your ass.

Again I'm explaining what we believe in Islam. In the Qur'an numerous times it says "innalladhina amanu wa 'amilu saalihaat" Those who believe and do righteous deeds. So one by itself won't do. Both of them must be done in order to succeed

What you believe is nowhere near as important as why. If you come across a person who believes a thing for no reason at all, for example, or in direct contradiction to the evidence, would you say that this person has a belief worth taking seriously?

Moreover, if a person asks you for the evidence underpinning your belief, effectively asking you the "why?" you're not answering the question at all by just restating that what you've said is the "what?" We already know what you believe, if you're having to say it again: you were asked why that is.

[SteelCurtain]

Again I'm explaining what we believe in Islam. In the Qur'an numerous times it says "innalladhina amanu wa 'amilu saalihaat" Those who believe and do righteous deeds. So one by itself won't do. Both of them must be done in order to succeed

What you believe is nowhere near as important as why. If you come across a person who believes a thing for no reason at all, for example, or in direct contradiction to the evidence, would you say that this person has a belief worth taking seriously?

Moreover, if a person asks you for the evidence underpinning your belief, effectively asking you the "why?" you're not answering the question at all by just restating that what you've said is the "what?" We already know what you believe, if you're having to say it again: you were asked why that is.

I believe you overestimate our friend's capacity to see the difference.