Is Ghandi goint to hell or eternal death

[reverendjeremiah]

Ghandi rejected Christ, even though he may have lived a decent life he never repented of his sin against God and a sinful soul will not be allowed into heaven. Ervin Christ died so that we might have that forgiveness, He paid a price for us that He did not have to and in return all He ask is that a person accept what He did for them.

Wait..I thought Jesus was supposed to be god. Why would he have to die to forgive us? Why not just forgive us. I dont need acknowledgement of my existence or worship to forgive someone of their transgressions against me. Forgiveness is MY gift that has no strings attached. If I am ready to forgive, then I dont care if the other person repented in their ways or not..I will forgive them. And who did he pay a price to? God? Here we go with Jesus being god again. So jesus died on a cross to pay the price for our sins to himself? And why does he need acceptance? I will do good regardless of wether people are treating me like crap or not, and I am a mere mortal. Jesus is supposed to be the author of morality, yet he chooses this method that also resembles what other pagan son-gods have done in the past? I thought Jesus was supposed to be bigger than that. You make him look so petty and egotistical; "I will forgive you for pissing me off by doing things I dont want you to do only if you ask for my forgiveness and worship me." Yeah. Some savior. Jesus sounds like such a dick. Why would I want to worship someone like that or even hold him up as an example of goodness and kindness?

Lets remember that it was GOD who created Hell. He is the MASTER of Hell and HE decides who gets tortured for all eternity in it or not. YES, you worship a lord of hell fire, and to say otherwise is to completely dismiss the entire concept of sin and punishment in the new testament. Who has the book of life? Satan or Jesus? Who puts the names down of those who avoid hellfire? Satan or Jesus? Who tosses people into a flaming pit of everlasting torture and torment? Jesus or Satan? Who knows everything before it happens? Jesus or Stan? Who created angels knowing they were going to become demons and devils? Jesus or satan? Which one looks more like a devil now? Jesus or Satan?

You worship the lord of Hell, creator of demons and devils and eternal torment.

Bahh..absolute non-sense. Believe what you want. But if you thnk this sort of nonsense should be forced upon my children in school then me and you have a problem.

Let me put it this way. If you KNEW I had a torture room in my home, and you heard me openly bragging about torturing people for not worshipping me, what would you think of me? A good person? would you trust ANY promise I gave to you; "Sure, I will not torture you. I forgive you as long as you worship me."

We call people like that dictators, and they are dispised here in America.

[KichigaiNeko]

You numb nut!! Will you have A GOOD LOOK AT WHAT YOU WRITE!!

As GC said Erwin, you can be the nastiest, most despicable childmolesting, animalkicking prick on the planet.

But as long as you accept god you're IN!!!!

I never said that, those are your words not mine. As scripture says no one living that kind of a life will be in heaven. To receive salvation one must repent of his/her sins and accept Christ as savior. Repent means that you want return to your old life style, you will live a life for Christ (In your "old Life Style?). Ghandi rejected Christ,(Ghandi was a Hindu? Of a nation that never knew this god boy until the english 'colonised it?) even though he may have lived a decent life he never repented of his sin against God and a sinful soul will not be allowed into heaven. Ervin Christ died so that we might have that forgiveness, He paid a price for us that He did not have to and in return all He ask is that a person accept what He did for them.

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(And so YOU judge? You pompous little git)

We all know I assume what great things M. Ghandi did for many people. From what I remember he was shot by Hindu extremist because Ghandi was protesting in favour of Muslims.

However I don't think that he accepted Christ as his lord and saviour or the Qur'an as the word of Allah.

So a question to theists is: Is he in or going to Hell or eternal death since he for instance new about Christ but rejected him.

Ghandi as far as I know stuck to his own religion. Just goes to show how strong influence is what your parents are.

Acknowledging that you are a Christian or muslim, jew, hindu, etc of some sort because of your parents or society is a great way break free from tradition and start not engineering but uncovering God that's if you still remain thinking there is one.

Thanks

If Gandhi was as enlightened, tolerant and peaceable a being as his legend makes him out to be, could he possibly want to go to any place so overreaching, delusional and bigoted a being as one who would style himself "godschild" might regard as heaven?

Even if heaven was as you described it still beats doing the backstroke in a lake of fire as RJ so lovingly put it. Now just to make this matter clear I do not believe that a person who is in hell will be tormented by fire for eternity there are worse things that are not torture.

there are worse things that are not torture.

The Abrahamic religions and having to deal with xtian apologists.

I'd happily do the backstroke-gets a thumbs up from me...goddsdamitt I haven't got a body!!! FFS!!

You worship the Lord of Hell GC and a fucking petty little tyrant he is...proof??? Just look at his followers!

[OnlyNatural]

Ghandi rejected Christ, even though he may have lived a decent life he never repented of his sin against God and a sinful soul will not be allowed into heaven.

To recieve salvation one must repent of his/her sins and accept Christ as savior.

This is precisely what's so wrong about religion, and Christianity in particular. If you spent your whole life hurting other people but repent of your sins, and accept Jesus as your savior, you still go to heaven. If you spent your whole life helping people and doing good, but never repent of the 'sin' of rejecting God, you're going to hell.

Some foundation for morality. As long you kiss God's almighty ass before you die, you're good to go. God sounds awfully petty and selfish. He cares more about being worshiped and not having his feelings hurt ('How dare you reject me! You'll burn for that!') than for the actual suffering of human beings.

[Zen Badger]

As GC said Erwin, you can be the nastiest, most despicable childmolesting, animalkicking prick on the planet.

But as long as you accept god you're IN!!!!

I never said that, those are your words not mine. As scripture says no one living that kind of a life will be in heaven. To recieve salvation one must repent of his/her sins and accept Christ as savior. Repent means that you want return to your old life style, you will live a life for Christ. Ghandi rejected Christ, even though he may have lived a decent life he never repented of his sin against God and a sinful soul will not be allowed into heaven. Ervin Christ died so that we might have that forgiveness, He paid a price for us that He did not have to and in return all He ask is that a person accept what He did for them.

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Again, to reiterate what GC said, god doesn't give a shit what you've done. You can rape nuns, BBQ babies, set fire to kittens, whatever.
The important thing is to ask forgivness at the end and tell JC you're prepared to kiss his ass for the rest of eternity, then it's all peachy keen.

[reverendjeremiah]

Even if heaven was as you discribed it still beats doing the backstroke in a lake of fire as RJ so lovingly put it. Now just to make this matter clear I do not believe that a person who is in hell will be tormented by fire for eternity there are worse things that are not torture.

Really? I like how you turn "torture" into "torment". Suddenly eternal hellfire doesnt seem so bad now..NOT! From my point of view you cant get any worse than torture, and an eternity on flames sounds pretty wicked if you ask me. The person who invented Hell as a "punishment" didnt REALLY have punishment in mind. You see, in order to punish someone, you must TEACH THEM A LESSON and then give them a chance to make amends. ETERNAL TORTURE, on the other hand, is controlled by truly SICK individuals who apparently know no bounds of their wicked tendencies and obviously get off on the concept;

GC's mother (in hell for not keeping the sabbath holy)"Jesus, please stop, I have been in Hell for a million years. Im SOOO SORRY for working on Sundays! I had to support my family!"

Jesus - "Nope..you still have eternity to go..MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA..I am the prince of peace, turn the other cheek, do good to those who do evil to you..MUWAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!! I dont practice what I preach!!!"

GC - "The screams of the tormented are the proof that our Lor Christ Jesus is righteous and worthy of praise!" *falls down and worships Jesus for another 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years.

Yeah..thats what you worship!

[Anomalocaris]

Again, to reiterate what GC said, god doesn't give a shit what you've done. You can rape nuns, BBQ babies, set fire to kittens, whatever.
The important thing is to ask forgivness at the end and tell JC you're prepared to kiss his ass for the rest of eternity, then it's all peachy keen.

To be sure, god doesn't give a shit about anything. It's the Christians who live in morbid terror that someone in the world might devaluing their Christian stupidity by getting away with not stooping to believe it.

[reverendjeremiah]

To be sure, god doesn't give a shit about anything. It's the Christians who live in morbid terror that someone in the world is devaluing their Christian stupidity by not stooping to believe it.

[Godscreated]

To all who just responded to my statement, read it again and you will see that I do not believe that hell is a place where people will burn forever, you all read just what you want to so that you can complain about a christians beliefs. I've never asked anyone to believe the way I do and I certainly have not judged anyone. I make statements about what I believe and do not ask you to believe them. RJ you should study the Bible before you go spouting off about what it says, you have no idea of it's content and you make that clear by what you say.

Yes God made a place called hell and it is for the unrepented sinners who reject Christ. God did not create demons or Satan and since you made the statment the burden of proof is yours RJ so show us how much you know about scripture and prove your statements. Only in your deluded mind is God Lord of hell.

OnlyNatural why is it that you think God would want you to live in heaven with Him if you do not believe in Him. The way I see it He is doing you a favor by not forcing you to live with someone you can not stand and since ther are only to places to spend eternity hell is all thats left.

KN I see nothing wrong with what I wrote, so the problem you have must be in the way you preceived what was written.

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Again, to reiterate what GC said, god doesn't give a shit what you've done. You can rape nuns, BBQ babies, set fire to kittens, whatever.
The important thing is to ask forgivness at the end and tell JC you're prepared to kiss his ass for the rest of eternity, then it's all peachy keen.

To be sure, god doesn't give a shit about anything. It's the Christians who live in morbid terror that someone in the world might devaluing their Christian stupidity by getting away with not stooping to believe it.

The value of my belief lies with God, what ever you think about me or the way I believe does not bother me, it is apparent that you have issues with respect.

[reverendjeremiah]

To all who just responded to my statement, read it again and you will see that I do not believe that hell is a place where people will burn forever, you all read just what you want to so that you can complain about a christians beliefs.

One problem. Hell is eternal, and full of fire that burns, and people wailing and gnashing teeth. Jesus is quoted as saying this in the new testament. If you do not believe Hell is a place of eternal burning, and you think it unchristian to believe otherwise, then you have flat out contradicted the teachings of Christ.

Look man, you cant hold Jesus up as the supreme judge of morals and life and then pick and choose which ones you agree with Jesus on or not. Either he is the supreme, perfect judge or he made mistakes. He he is completely right or he is fallable.

Which one is it? Is the bible and Jesus correct about hell fire being eternal or are they wrong?

If you say hellfire isnt eternal, then I am JUST AS JUSTIFIED AS YOU to say that Jesus is not the savior..because if you think he is wrong about one thing, then why cant I think Jesus was wrong on another?

[OnlyNatural]

OnlyNatural why is it that you think God would want you to live in heaven with Him if you do not believe in Him.

I was only questioning the morality of the whole system. Whatever God 'wants' is irrelevant if he's not real, but what religious people 'think' he wants always informs their actions, and often not in a good way.

The way I see it He is doing you a favor by not forcing you to live with someone you can not stand and since ther are only to places to spend eternity hell is all thats left.

How about just being dead for eternity? Pure nothingness, absence of awareness, the end of existence. That's what'll happen to me after I die, and I accept that. And I can almost guarantee you that you'll meet the same fate, whether or not you wasted your life praising a non-existent God.