Did Jesus exist?

[robvalue]

Haha! Panther!

Ah, that's not gonna get old. Jesus is the great grandson of a panther, son of a god, but also fully human; and his own father. A more stupid story could not be cooked up in a million years.

[athrock]

The genealogies in Matthew and Luke do not match. 

I know why.

Do you?

I was referring to the number of generations listed by each of Matthew and Luke. Starting from David, Luke's list of generations end up being too long to correspond to Matthew's list.

I understand. They are not the same.

Do you know why?

[GrandizerII]

I was referring to the number of generations listed by each of Matthew and Luke. Starting from David, Luke's list of generations end up being too long to correspond to Matthew's list.

I understand. They are not the same.

Do you know why?

Enlighten me.

[Minimalist]

But SOME argument (such as Jesus never existed) are just the result of ignorance.

You're so desperate to believe that you're gladly willing to be a complete horse's ass!

[athrock]

I understand. They are not the same.

Do you know why?

Enlighten me.

Because the Jews of antiquity were not as concerned with verbatim accuracy in the details of these genealogies. Consequently, it was not important to them to catalog every single  generation. 

In the case of Matthew, he makes a clear point of delineating the symmetry of the generations, and he even says this here:

Matthew 1:17
So all the generations from Abraham to David were fourteen generations, and from David to the deportation to Babylon fourteen generations, and from the deportation to Babylon to the Christ fourteen generations.

14 and 14 and 14. That's 42 overall. Some folks get all into the numerology of the OT prophets, but that's not the point which is that no one really believes that these were the exact numbers of generations separating these major figures in Jesus' family tree.

For the Jew, one person was a descendant of another person even if there were two or three generations in between instead of just one as we moderns tend to require.

[athrock]

Haha! Panther!

Ah, that's not gonna get old. Jesus is the great grandson of a panther, son of a god, but also fully human; and his own father. A more stupid story could not be cooked up in a million years.

rob-

I asked before: Have you read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis?

[Brian37]

Enlighten me.

Because the Jews of antiquity were not as concerned with verbatim accuracy in the details of these genealogies. Consequently, it was not important to them to catalog every single  generation. 

In the case of Matthew, he makes a clear point of delineating the symmetry of the generations, and he even says this here:

Matthew 1:17
So all the generations from Abraham to David were fourteen generations, and from David to the deportation to Babylon fourteen generations, and from the deportation to Babylon to the Christ fourteen generations.

14 and 14 and 14. That's 42 overall. Some folks get all into the numerology of the OT prophets, but that's not the point which is that no one really believes that these were the exact numbers of generations separating these major figures in Jesus' family tree.

For the Jew, one person was a descendant of another person even if there were two or three generations in between instead of just one as we moderns tend to require.

OF COURSE the Jews of antiquity weren't  concerned with accuracy just like the WWE is a fucking act and not a real sport. Dressing a skunk up in a tuxedo sell it to illiterate masses they will believe anything.

The story was not written because it is a history book, the story was written to make the legend sound grandiose. What better way to sell a super hero than trace his line back to a king. It wasn't a real story, linking Jesus back to David was intended to get the masses to follow, because back then humans lived under kings.

[Brian37]

Haha! Panther!

Ah, that's not gonna get old. Jesus is the great grandson of a panther, son of a god, but also fully human; and his own father. A more stupid story could not be cooked up in a million years.

rob-

I asked before: Have you read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis?

Have you read the X-Men by Stan Lee?

[Minimalist]

Better to read On the Historicity of Jesus by Richard Carrier.  Would scare the fucking piss out of this jesus freak!

[GrandizerII]

Enlighten me.

Because the Jews of antiquity were not as concerned with verbatim accuracy in the details of these genealogies. Consequently, it was not important to them to catalog every single  generation. 

In the case of Matthew, he makes a clear point of delineating the symmetry of the generations, and he even says this here:

Matthew 1:17
So all the generations from Abraham to David were fourteen generations, and from David to the deportation to Babylon fourteen generations, and from the deportation to Babylon to the Christ fourteen generations.

14 and 14 and 14. That's 42 overall. Some folks get all into the numerology of the OT prophets, but that's not the point which is that no one really believes that these were the exact numbers of generations separating these major figures in Jesus' family tree.

For the Jew, one person was a descendant of another person even if there were two or three generations in between instead of just one as we moderns tend to require.

Yes, Matthew did get into that numerology with his genealogy, true, but there's no evidence to suggest that he intentionally skipped generations to do so. So once again, this is all based on speculation.