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Natural Order and Science
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Natural Order and Science
People struggle to gain control over the natural world in order to satisfy their needs and desires. The explanation of every natural event is possible because of the repetition of a given pattern or law and this Repetition originally provides a conceptual control over the natural world by revealing an intelligible order and eventually, through the technological application of modern science, for actual control over the natural world. The order and harmony make nature predictable and this predictability helps science to explore even indiscernible phenomenon. In short, all science is founded on the assumption that the physical universe is ordered and rational.
 
If science is unveiling hidden facts of nature, then in parallel it also pushes us to ponder over the natural order, harmony, and discipline that exist in all natural events and which in fact responsible for the continued existence of life on earth.
 
The questions arise that if universe is the outcome of Chance, Accident, and Nothingness then:
 
Why there is no chaos and anarchy in the universe?
Why all natural events are deferential to natural laws and are finely tuned?
Why those laws exist in first place?
Where do those laws come from?
Why do they operate universally and unfailingly?
 
In contrast to the believers, for sure, Chance, Accident, and Nothingness do not provide any arena for the exploration of these questions to the unbelievers who certainly find themselves in total darkness and confusion.
 
“If you equate the probability of the birth of a bacteria cell to chance assembly of its atoms, eternity will not suffice to produce one”
 
Page 356, volume 2
A Guided Tour of the Living Cell
Christian De Duve
 
“A code system is always a result of a mental process (it requires an intelligent origin or inventor). It should be emphasised that matter as such is unable to generate any code. All experiences indicate that a thinking being voluntarily exercising his own free will, cognition, and creativity, to produce a code. There is no known law of nature, no known process, and no known sequence of events which can cause information by itself in matter.”
 
Pages (64, 67, 79, and 107)
“In The Beginning Was Information,”
Dr. Werner Gritt, (information specialist)
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#2
RE: Natural Order and Science
Therefore skydaddy! Sounds legit. Next!

Binary thought anyone? Fallacy#1
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RE: Natural Order and Science
You're not proving anything in your OP.

"[Something] therefore goddidit." - not logical. Not convincing.

I find it hilarious that you would assume that 'unbelievers' (protip, atheism =/= science) are in the dark and confused about universal origin when in reality you are absolutely no more clearer about it than anyone else. Just because you can imagine an idea doesn't mean it's true.

And let's face it, science in even the last week has answered more of the almost infinite questions about the universe than your religion ever has, and ever will.

But we've all had these conversations with delusional people before and you are no different. Everyone here knows you won't understand or care so long as you can make the utterly bankrupt case for your god in every post. None of your questions make an sense at all and reveal a deep and ingrained ignorance about some of the concepts that you are trying to explore. Nothing wrong with that of course, but i suspect you don't really care about any of the questions if the answer doesn't involve you being right in every way. And nobody here has time or cares for that kind of person.
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The first two paragraphs sound reasonable, the following bit about chance and nothingness then seems very ad hoc. The following questions are somewhat loaded, but might be answered by a simple appeal to the anthropic principle - a structureless universe cannot ponder itself, to borrow a phrase by Asimov. The last bit about information and probabilities to assemble a cell just betrays a gross misunderstanding of how both information and evolution work. Standard cdesign proponentsists lies as the likes of Dembski and Behe spread them.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: Natural Order and Science
OP, you forgot to mention irreducible complexity! That one's kills atheism completely!


yeah, just kidding, sorry.
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#6
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So...

What is the point you're trying to make?

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How do you know that the laws operate universally? Have you been to every part of the universe?
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#8
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His god has apparently! (and told him so)
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RE: Natural Order and Science
The argument of where do the laws of the universe come from has always seemed stupid to me, unless I'm understanding it incorrectly.

Is it because they are called laws that you think it must be like a law involving the police and the government?  So you're saying well we have these laws but who put them there?

The scientific laws of the universe are principles which usually describe or predict things, the way things behave independent of any outside supernatural force, they're governed by non sentient physical forces.

The laws exist only because things have certain properties and react certain ways predictably, not because god is like the universe policeman shaking a club menacingly at anything that dares to disobey the laws of gravitation or relativity.


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Correct.

They are human concepts used to explain/prove/understand/predict the natural universe.
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