What's the lamest defence of Theism you've ever heard?

[robvalue]

Personally, I think it's just a side effect of how the rules of reality work. Any life form that has survived a few generations obviously has the ability to survive, and the more it survives, the better it gets at it. Those variations that don't survive get killed and reproduce less. So those with better instincts are naturally selected...

Fast forward to us, and this idea will have been refined and concentrated an unimaginable number of times.

That's my take on it. It gives the illusion of a "will to survive", but really it's just cause and effect. And I think our consciousness is just a weird side effect of our brains working, which are basically organic computers.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

Personally, i don't think consciousness is anything special. I believe consciousness is when an organism can process information and react to it. This is the reason why,i believe, someone ko'd is unconsciouss because even though sensory information or other kinds of information may be being processed but there is an obvious inability to react to it...
Consciousness to me is an ability to react to processed information. Emphasis on "processed information", because plants can process information(photosenthesis and such) and react to it but rocks can't...
Thoughts?

[robvalue]

I think consciousness, as we see it, is just a front. It's a kind of readout, which somehow produces an "experience", and gives the illusion of control and choice. But really, it's just telling a story.

I see no reason why non-life can't also experience things, but just have no way to display it like we do.

The idea of the "experience" is the super whacky part that I doubt I'll ever get my head round. It seems to be both an illusion, and possibly the only "reality" there is (we create realities by perceiving them). I don't know if science will ever get on top of it. I can't see how I can ever be sure anyone else is actually experiencing anything like I am. I'm forever trapped in a certain point of view which is inherently subjective.

[ignoramus]

Actually, I was completely wrong.
The question itself I asked was fallacious and out of ignorance.

Life, especially microbial life, like viruses, bacteria, etc aren't even aware of their own existence.

Mutations are are natural byproduct of a imperfect replication cycle.
Germs mutate and replicate at an alarming rate of knotts, so it's easy to think they are mutating in an endevour to survive.
All that's happening is that the mutated offspring survive if it is beneficial.
With targetted specific antidotes, the new mutations are usually not attacked and survive.
All this does is buy them some time to keep mutating further.
That can seem to emulate an intelligent defence. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Mother nature herself has never given 2 fucks about any life for she herself is blind and unconscious.

[Jackalope]

"How else can you explain the miracle of birth?"

[Cyberman]

I haven't come across that one yet. I consider myself inoculated.

[abaris]

Life, especially microbial life, like viruses, bacteria, etc aren't even aware of their own existence.

How'd you know?

I mean, we all share that kind of thought when it comes to microbial life, but nobody asked them yet. Higher life is certainly aware. To use the words of evolutionary anthropologyst Brian Hare when asked if animals think: Of course they do.

[Jackalope]

I haven't come across that one yet. I consider myself inoculated.

That was from my ex-wife, whom I took to be smarter than that when I married her.

[abaris]

That was from my ex-wife, whom I took to be smarter than that when I married her.

I hope, you got custody, if you happen to have children.

[ignoramus]

Life, especially microbial life, like viruses, bacteria, etc aren't even aware of their own existence.

How'd you know?

I mean, we all share that kind of thought when it comes to microbial life, but nobody asked them yet. Higher life is certainly aware. To use the words of evolutionary anthropologyst Brian Hare when asked if animals think: Of course they do.

I would have imagined that you need a brain for that.
Unless of course you believe consciousness is independent?