My views on objective morality

[robvalue]

In my defence, what I actually said was, "[This is] rape apologetics". It was in regard to specific things CL had put forward as her beliefs. Those beliefs were making excuses for rapes occurring. So in this way, it was accurate. I didn't actually call her a "rape apologist", as in someone who regularly defends rape. She was partaking in excusing the act, while simultaneously making it clear she was completely against the act. Hence the contradiction.

In retrospect I wish I hadn't used the term, as I realize it sounds more accusatory than it needed to be.

Anyhow back on topic, anyone have a comment about my post?

Getting back on topic:

I'll tell you the really pointless thing about objective morality claims: they don't achieve anything.

I am proud to own my subjective morality as my opinion, and I back up those opinions with arguments. This means that I am sometimes able to win others round to my point of view, and to what I think is right.

However, if I went to try and change someone's mind and I instead claim my morality is objectively superior to theirs, for whatever reason, then that's not going to achieve anything. If people and societies with very different values are ever going to reach some sort of compromise, it won't be by either (or both) sides claiming to simply "be right". It will be by reasoned arguments about what the goals of morality are, what they should be, and how we can go about achieving them.

Standing in pious judgement does nothing but puff up your own ego.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Her statements were supportive of a god who allows rape - now if you were to say that's OK for another human to do, then what, honestly, would it make you? I was just trying to explain that to her, as I think was the case with LFC.

All I'm asking of those who love CL is to keep it fair for everyone else here.

You insensitive jerk.  You actually think you are entitled to courtesy when you yourself have none.  The temerity of it.

What your words make you is a jerk.  Jerks who've demonstrated their mettle are entitled to no respect nor courtesy.

Well, fuck the three of you, Whatever, Thump and Nympocunt! You three cunts have been hounding me because you've decided I'm an easy target for your bile, and you really do have serious issues, all of you. I'm no worse than most people here, and I'm truckloads more sensitive, and boatloads more sincere than you. Go fuck yourselves!

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Me

Her statements were supportive of a god who allows rape - now if you were to say that's OK for another human to do, then what, honestly, would it make you? I was just trying to explain that to her, as I think was the case with LFC.

Being supportive of a God who allows rape does not necessarily make you a supporter of rape, and there's a big difference between that and having the position that "oh, rape is OK for humans to do".

Actually, I never really considered CL as having that position. The problem was with what she said, and she did repeat it so that that there could be no mistaking it, page after page after page. She and other Xtians just don't understand the very insensitive implications of what they say when they say that, and that's what I was trying to help point out to her! The problem is supporting a god who has all the power which is possible and impossible, but chooses to do nothing about a crime which he sits by and watches, in that very alley where the crime is happening, and probably beats off to it. When a human does that it's called being an accessory to the crime.

Tiberius

The problem seems to be that you are treating God as just another human, when in the Catholic faith, and indeed in pretty much all faiths, God is not human. As I've stated earlier in the thread, the usual Christian doctrine is that God allows rape not because he supports it, or even agrees with it, but because to prevent it would to go against free will.

God isn't just another human, and that's the whole point of the issue - he's supposed to be much, much better - therefore, why shouldn't we hold him to a much higher standard? Really!

I was there while CL was pressing that "Free Will" argument, as were Rob and Rhythm, whose names I invoke at this point only because they are two people who very probably read all that was said too, before they left. It's an extremely poor excuse being made for a god who is supposed to be the paragon of good. If we were standing face to face, and you looked at me square in the eye and told me you see nothing wrong with people seeing it that way just so that they can avoid having to give up on their god, then I could only conclude there's something wrong with you, for all that I'm certain you know as an atheist. We have our differences on ideas, being united neither by doctrine nor ideology, but that shit is simply cognitive! EDIT: Well, of course they have the right to speak their minds too, it just isn't good that anyone has a mind for such garbage.

[Thumpalumpacus]

You insensitive jerk.  You actually think you are entitled to courtesy when you yourself have none.  The temerity of it.

What your words make you is a jerk.  Jerks who've demonstrated their mettle are entitled to no respect nor courtesy.

Well, fuck the three of you, Whatever, Thump and Nympocunt! You three cunts have been hounding me because you've decided I'm an easy target for your bile, and you really do have serious issues, all of you. I'm no worse than most people here, and I'm truckloads more sensitive, and boatloads more sincere than you. Go fuck yourselves!

I'm not sure why you're butthurt at me, but I can't post pics of butthurt without getting banned, so I'll stick to the principle that this thread needs more titties.



Now, if you've got a problem with anything I've written or done, be specific and I'll happily explain my behavior. Until then, leave me out of your Netdrama.

[SteelCurtain]

Well, fuck the three of you, Whatever, Thump and Nympocunt! You three cunts have been hounding me because you've decided I'm an easy target for your bile, and you really do have serious issues, all of you. I'm no worse than most people here, and I'm truckloads more sensitive, and boatloads more sincere than you. Go fuck yourselves!

This post would seem to belie your point.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Well, fuck the three of you, Whatever, Thump and Nympocunt! You three cunts have been hounding me because you've decided I'm an easy target for your bile, and you really do have serious issues, all of you. I'm no worse than most people here, and I'm truckloads more sensitive, and boatloads more sincere than you. Go fuck yourselves!

I'm not sure why you're butthurt at me, but I can't post pics of butthurt without getting banned, so I'll stick to the principle that this thread needs more titties.



Now, if you've got a problem with anything I've written or done, be specific and I'll happily explain my behavior.  Until then, leave me out of your Netdrama.

You and Nympho kudoed Whaterverist when he snapped at me. While I was being nothing other than respectful and reasonable!

But I don't mind the tittie show :-D

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Well, fuck the three of you, Whatever, Thump and Nympocunt! You three cunts have been hounding me because you've decided I'm an easy target for your bile, and you really do have serious issues, all of you. I'm no worse than most people here, and I'm truckloads more sensitive, and boatloads more sincere than you. Go fuck yourselves!

This post would seem to belie your point.

Not so on sincerety. At least two of these, plus others here have singled me out for no better purpose than to score political points on this site. They weren't even there while the action was going down!

Can you say "HYPOCRITE", Boys and Girls?

[Joods]

@ Hanky: Hmm... I'd like to know when I called you out in this thread, specifically. I called out no one. In later posts, once your panties got all in a wad, you fired at me and I responded back. It would appear that you can't take the heat when you've been shown what a true jackass you are. As for you claiming to have any sort of sensitivity? Puleaze. Give us all a break. If you were as sensitive as you say, you wouldn't continue your worn out use of the word cunt. Congratulations on going from calling me one, to now, three of us are cunts. Maybe the only sensitivity you have is being too sensitive to handle the truth and the best you can come back with is to start calling people vulgar names. If that's the best you've got then I refuse to continue having a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

I was willing to let you have the last word and just let it fade away so the topic could get back on track but you seem all to eager to continue calling me a cunt. If that's what eases your small mind, so be it. I have no use for the rantings of a derranged lunatic. Go play in heavy traffic with a blindfold on.

[Joods]

Now, if you've got a problem with anything I've written or done, be specific and I'll happily explain my behavior.  Until then, leave me out of your Netdrama.

You and Nympho kudoed Whaterverist when he snapped at me. 

So now we get attacked and called cunts because we kudosed posts that we agreed with?  Talk about taking crazy and being hysterically unreasonable to a whole new level. 

I feel sorry for people like this. All wrapped up in their own little delusions. Pity.

[robvalue]

Boobs!

Time to get back to the base-ics of morality.

http://youtu.be/IfeyUGZt8nk