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Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)
RE: Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)
(March 12, 2016 at 6:47 pm)Little Rik Wrote:
(March 12, 2016 at 6:18 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:  I'm sorry you're so full of hate an intolerance. I will pray FSM unhardens your heart.
Yogurt not Yoga.   RAmen FSM Grin




Look sayer i really like pasta but as all people born in Italy pasta must be al dente.
Your pasta is over cooked that is why i refuse to eat it.  Devil (large)

I just don't want to vomit son.  Worship
 You need only to open your heart and mind, No consumption needed.

Yogurt not yoga

RAmen. FSM Grin
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

      Conservative trigger warning.
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RE: Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)
(March 12, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Little Rik Wrote: What are the differences among brain, mind and consciousness?

The brain is a physical organ in the body. The mind and consciousness are products of the brain's operation.

(March 12, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Little Rik Wrote: What trigger the start of evolution?

Energy.

(March 12, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Little Rik Wrote: Where evolution take you to?

Again, evolution applies to species, not individuals, so it takes 'me' no where.

(March 12, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Little Rik Wrote: What is the relationship between energy and consciousness?

Energy sustains the metabolism of the cells of the brain. The cells of the brain cooperatively create consciousness (or its illusion).

(Note that not one of these answers involved a metaphor or analogy.)
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RE: Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)
(March 12, 2016 at 10:57 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(March 12, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Little Rik Wrote: What are the differences among brain, mind and consciousness?

The brain is a physical organ in the body.  The mind and consciousness are products of the brain's operation.

(March 12, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Little Rik Wrote: What trigger the start of evolution?

Energy.

(March 12, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Little Rik Wrote: Where evolution take you to?

Again, evolution applies to species, not individuals, so it takes 'me' no where.

(March 12, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Little Rik Wrote: What is the relationship between energy and consciousness?

Energy sustains the metabolism of the cells of the brain.  The cells of the brain cooperatively create consciousness (or its illusion).

(Note that not one of these answers involved a metaphor or analogy.)


What?!  

No magic? But Riki sure claims there is magic needed.

And he has so much evidence for his claims. Like, NDEs.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)
(March 12, 2016 at 7:32 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:
(March 12, 2016 at 6:47 pm)Little Rik Wrote: Look sayer i really like pasta but as all people born in Italy pasta must be al dente.
Your pasta is over cooked that is why i refuse to eat it.  Devil (large)

I just don't want to vomit son.  Worship
 You need only to open your heart and mind, No consumption needed.
Yogurt not yoga
RAmen. FSM Grin


No consumption needed?  Huh
So all the promises from your guru are only to be seen but not touched?  Begging
It must be a little be difficult to find new converts in your religion.  Banghead
Isn't it?  Wink
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RE: Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)
(March 12, 2016 at 10:57 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(March 12, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Little Rik Wrote: What are the differences among brain, mind and consciousness?

The brain is a physical organ in the body.  The mind and consciousness are products of the brain's operation.

(March 12, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Little Rik Wrote: What trigger the start of evolution?

Energy.

(March 12, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Little Rik Wrote: Where evolution take you to?

Again, evolution applies to species, not individuals, so it takes 'me' no where.

(March 12, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Little Rik Wrote: What is the relationship between energy and consciousness?

Energy sustains the metabolism of the cells of the brain.  The cells of the brain cooperatively create consciousness (or its illusion).

(Note that not one of these answers involved a metaphor or analogy.)


Thanks so much for your effort.
Unfortunately you fail on all counts but let us examine them one by one.

1) You say ........The brain is a physical organ in the body.  The mind and consciousness are products of the brain's operation.

Wrong.  Banghead
There is no evidence of whatsoever that this is the case.
This statement is only bases on guessing.
Energy and consciousness are dependent on each other to function however it is the consciousness that
start the action as it awake from the latent stage.
This can be seen in some types of matter that release energy like uranium.
The matter had energy in it long long before it was able to release it.
Why then didn't release before?
The simple reason is that it had to wait for the consciousness within to get out her state of
slumber so to speak.
Brain is full of energy but energy can not start the action by herself.
Consciousness is always needed that is why to say that the consciousness is a product of the brain is
pure madness.


2) Question......what trigger the start of evolution?

You reply....Energy.


Wrong again.
Energy is everywhere in matter but only some types of matter release energy.
But let me explain what the word DECAY means in this particular context.
Decay in matter means that that particular matter is in the process of deterioration
it can not keep as it is or better say as it was for ever.
It need to make a change.
Nothing is destroyed in nature.
It just change.
But the energy in order to make the change need some sort of awareness.
This awareness is called consciousness.
Energy and consciousness always go hand in hand.
And the consciousness in order to trigger the change need to get out the lumber stage in which she was.
Even science tell us that the decay of elements has to do with releasing energy over time.
Unfortunately science is still not aware that energy and consciousness are the two sides of the same coin.
So the trigger is the awakening of consciousness not the energy.

3) Question .........Where evolution take you to?

You answer.....Again, evolution applies to species, not individuals, so it takes 'me' no where.

Wrong again yog. Banghead

There is no evidence that that is the case.
Yours is just a guessing inspired by Darwin.
It make more sense that individuals end up in the jigsaw in which they can fit better and therefore
evolution apply to individuals.
If so many similar individuals fit in a particular jigsaw that shouldn't be interpreted as evolution of the species.


4) What is the relationship between energy and consciousness?

You answer.......Energy sustains the metabolism of the cells of the brain.  The cells of the brain cooperatively create consciousness (or its illusion).


Wrong, wrong, wrong. Banging Head On Desk
How the hell can consciousness be a product of the brain when in fact it is the consciousness that
decide to start any mental or physical action?
Sorry yog but your thinking is all upside down.

5) you say.......(Note that not one of these answers involved a metaphor or analogy)

Believe me girl.
It would have been a lot better if you would have use some analogies that make some sense rather
than come down with all this nonsense.
Have a good day anyway.  Wink
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RE: Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)
Whoah, Lordy. Look at all them assertions!

Guess I'm still in "the lumber stage" since I don't see it that way.

And you're still wrong about evolution applying to individuals. That you can't get that simple point speaks volumes about you.
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RE: Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)
If this thread demonstrates one thing, it's that while there may be a limit to human knowledge, there is certainly no limit to human ignorance.

I think we've all learned something here.
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RE: Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)
(March 13, 2016 at 11:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: How the hell can consciousness be a product of the brain when in fact it is the consciousness that
decide to start any mental or physical action?

What is your source for that 'fact'?

All thoughts/actions are proceeded by bio-chemical/neuron activity. About 500ms. I can source that.
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God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers

Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders

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-- The Rev Lovejoy
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RE: Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)
(March 13, 2016 at 11:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: 1) You say ........The brain is a physical organ in the body.  The mind and consciousness are products of the brain's operation.

Wrong.  Banghead
There is no evidence of whatsoever that this is the case.

And I've told you before, after providing said evidence, that you're just a liar on this point.

(March 13, 2016 at 11:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: Energy and consciousness are dependent on each other to function however it is the consciousness that
start the action as it awake from the latent stage.

No evidence that this is the case.

(March 13, 2016 at 11:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: This can be seen in some types of matter that release energy like uranium.
The matter had energy in it long long before it was able to release it.
Why then didn't release before?

First off, you're mischaracterizing the radioactive decay of uranium. It decays in a steady mode. It doesn't wait a "long long" time. See the Toklo reactor for evidence that radioactive substances decay at a regular rate.

(March 13, 2016 at 11:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: The simple reason is that it had to wait for the consciousness within to get out her state of
slumber so to speak.
Brain is full of energy but energy can not start the action by herself.
Consciousness is always needed that is why to say that the consciousness is a product of the brain is
pure madness.

Since your understanding of the evidence is wrong, your conclusion is also likely wrong.


(March 13, 2016 at 11:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: 2) Question......what trigger the start of evolution?

You reply....Energy.


Wrong again.
Energy is everywhere in matter but only some types of matter release energy.
But let me explain what the word DECAY means in this particular context.
Decay in matter means that that particular matter is in the process of deterioration
it can not keep as it is or better say as it was for ever.
It need to make a change.
Nothing is destroyed in nature.
It just change.
But the energy in order to make the change need some sort of awareness.
This awareness is called consciousness.
Energy and consciousness always go hand in hand.
And the consciousness in order to trigger the change need to get out the lumber stage in which she was.
Even science tell us that the decay of elements has to do with releasing energy over time.
Unfortunately science is still not aware that energy and consciousness are the two sides of the same coin.
So the trigger is the awakening of consciousness not the energy.

You say that energy and consciousness are two sides of the same coin, yet when I assert energy, you claim that "instead" it was consciousness. If they're two sides of a coin, it's the same thing! You can't even make up your mind.

(March 13, 2016 at 11:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: 3) Question .........Where evolution take you to?

You answer.....Again, evolution applies to species, not individuals, so it takes 'me' no where.

Wrong again yog.  Banghead

There is no evidence that that is the case.
Yours is just a guessing inspired by Darwin.
It make more sense that individuals end up in the jigsaw in which they can fit better and therefore
evolution apply to individuals.
If so many similar individuals fit in a particular jigsaw that shouldn't be interpreted as evolution of the species.

This is just nonsensical word salad. Even so, it's still wrong to think biological evolution applies to individuals.


(March 13, 2016 at 11:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: 4) What is the relationship between energy and consciousness?

You answer.......Energy sustains the metabolism of the cells of the brain.  The cells of the brain cooperatively create consciousness (or its illusion).

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Banging Head On Desk
How the hell can consciousness be a product of the brain when in fact it is the consciousness that
decide to start any mental or physical action?

There is no conflict there. The consciousness is the mental and physical action. They are concurrent.

(March 13, 2016 at 11:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: 5) you say.......(Note that not one of these answers involved a metaphor or analogy)

Believe me girl.
It would have been a lot better if you would have use some analogies that make some sense rather
than come down with all this nonsense.
Have a good day anyway.  Wink

And it would be better if you weren't just a loon with a bunch of assertions, dogma, and false analogies, but we can't have everything.
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RE: Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)
Jörm is a chick? Dafaq
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