Natural Order and Science

[Harris]

You are talking about “inbuilt mechanism of self-correction” that mechanism is called conscience which is part of every person by nature.

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON THIS ISSUE.

If that was the case then every crackpot theory would be valid because everyone can honestly say that it comes from their conscience. I know that you are speaking from your conscience. I don't doubt that. But since there are 7 billion people on this planet, each person with a conscience, then you would get 7 billion different theories. There is only ONE way out of this mess, and that is, a theory is only good if there is empirical evidence supporting it.

Every event and every behaviour in nature has a specific pattern, likewise human conscience too has a precise pattern and it cannot be drastically different from person to person. The belief in divine recompense can easily regulate small differences that people may have due to their different levels of intellects. However, there are certain unalterable values that gives equal standards of repulsion or fascination at any level of human intellect. For example, to have repulsive feelings against rape of an innocent child is a universal sentiment. But if someone enjoys the rape of an innocent child that is a sign of a dead conscience.

Radical differences may happen only by suppressing the conscience wilfully and systematically. For example, Hitler did not believe in conscience and that disbelief inflame his animosity to a level where he transformed into a radically merciless monster.

It is only conscience and belief in divine recompense that keep people from being worse than ferocious beasts who only have instincts and reflexes.

[robvalue]

Alex: No, I'm not taking him seriously. I'm just pointing out some of the more gaping flaws in what he says for those reading at home.

Harris: You say repulsion at rape is universal, then go on to list exceptions. So, it's not universal. It's an evolutionary trait, which is very common in humans. Big difference.

So... everyone has a conscience, just sometimes it's dead? It is born dead, in many cases. A total lack of empathy can be noticed even at a very young age. They never had one to lose.

I don't believe in the divine, I just have a conscience. So the first part must be redundant. Unless you think I'm a "ferocious beast".

Well, I've never had any complaints.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Every event and every behaviour in nature has a specific pattern

No it doesn't.

likewise human conscience too has a precise pattern and it cannot be drastically different from person to person.

Wrong.

It is only conscience and belief in divine recompense that keep people from being worse than ferocious beasts who only have instincts and reflexes.

Absolutely no evidence exists to suggest that this is so.

[robvalue]

Yes, just so wrong.

He knows it's wrong, because he discusses people who aren't repulsed at rape. They just "don't count".

He's mistaking evolutionary trends for magic. This appears to be very common.

[little_monkey]

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON THIS ISSUE.

If that was the case then every crackpot theory would be valid because everyone can honestly say that it comes from their conscience. I know that you are speaking from your conscience. I don't doubt that. But since there are 7 billion people on this planet, each person with a conscience, then you would get 7 billion different theories. There is only ONE way out of this mess, and that is, a theory is only good if there is empirical evidence supporting it.

Every event and every behaviour in nature has a specific pattern, likewise human conscience too has a precise pattern and it cannot be drastically different from person to person. The belief in divine recompense can easily regulate small differences that people may have due to their different levels of intellects.

You've failed to provide empirical evidence. So I have no choice but to label your statement: "The belief in divine recompense can easily regulate small differences that people may have due to their different levels of intellects" as a crackpot theory.

[Harris]

Every event and every behaviour in nature has a specific pattern, likewise human conscience too has a precise pattern and it cannot be drastically different from person to person. The belief in divine recompense can easily regulate small differences that people may have due to their different levels of intellects.

You've failed to provide empirical evidence. So I have no choice but to label your statement: "The belief in divine recompense can easily regulate small differences that people may have due to their different levels of intellects" as a crackpot theory.

May I have your empirical evidence and jackpot theory on “inbuilt mechanism of self-correction?”

[I_am_not_mafia]

You've failed to provide empirical evidence. So I have no choice but to label your statement: "The belief in divine recompense can easily regulate small differences that people may have due to their different levels of intellects" as a crackpot theory.

May I have your empirical evidence and jackpot theory on “inbuilt mechanism of self-correction?”

Where are you proposing that there is an “inbuilt mechanism of self-correction” ?

[little_monkey]

You've failed to provide empirical evidence. So I have no choice but to label your statement: "The belief in divine recompense can easily regulate small differences that people may have due to their different levels of intellects" as a crackpot theory.

May I have your empirical evidence and jackpot theory on “inbuilt mechanism of self-correction?”

500 years of science.

[little_monkey]

May I have your empirical evidence and jackpot theory on “inbuilt mechanism of self-correction?”

Where are you proposing that there is an “inbuilt mechanism of self-correction” ?

The inbuilt mechanism comes from having empirical evidence supporting the theory. Any theory that is supported by empirical evidence means that anyone in the world can verify your theory if that evidence is objective, observable and based on experiments that are repeatable. Through this process, a theory can be corrected.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Where are you proposing that there is an “inbuilt mechanism of self-correction” ?

The inbuilt mechanism comes from having empirical evidence supporting the theory. Any theory that is supported by empirical evidence means that anyone in the world can verify your theory if that evidence is objective, observable and based on experiments that are repeatable. Through this process, a theory can be corrected.

Sorry, I thought he was referring to some natural phenomenon having some kind of designed inbuilt mechanism of self correction.

If he's disputing that science is self correcting then he really does not understand what the scientific method is and really is quite ignorant.