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RE: Why Does God Need So Much Praise?
April 20, 2016 at 1:44 pm
It reminds me of the passages I read in Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors (Sagan and Druyan), in which they described the way that an inferior-ranked chimp will present his rump to a dominant Alpha Male as a sign of submission.
Ironically, the people who prostrate themselves in this way are the quickest to deny our relationship with the chimpanzees.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Why Does God Need So Much Praise?
April 20, 2016 at 1:51 pm
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Why Does God Need So Much Praise?
April 20, 2016 at 1:58 pm
(April 20, 2016 at 12:13 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: In the late fourth century, Hypatia of Alexander was a vastly educated and intelligent woman. She excelled in every area of scholarship: philosophy, mathematics, astronomy, science. You name it she mastered it. But this notable woman had the misfortune to get caught up in a political feud between Orestes, the governor of Alexandria and Cyril. The bishop of Alexandria. Cyril incited the wrath of the Christians in Alexandria by claiming that her intelligence took glory away from god. They kidnapped her, dragged her to a church, and before the altar, they beat her to death with clubs, scrapped the skin off her, dragged her mangled body through the streets and burned her. They wanted to make sure she was dead. No playing possum with them
How odd that a human being should have to dumb down for the creator of the universe to keep his glory undiminished. But put yourself in god’s shoes for just a minute.
There you are, sitting enthroned above the circle of the Earth (Isaiah 40:22. The word translated circle is chug. This is the dome or vault that the ancients believed encircled the Earth, they still thought the Earth was flat, not spherical). You’re looking down at humans like grasshoppers and you’re kinda jealous of them. They have cultures, science, art, education and government, while you have none of these. You are alone, without peer or society. The other deities that are beneath you in the Bronze Age pantheon are rivals for the affections of your grasshoppers, and in the end you will punish them (Isaiah 27:1)
It drives you to violent jealousy to see your creation going about their business, carrying on their lives with no thought of you, while you have no other business than to watch them and worry about what they do. If they don’t remind you of how wonderful you are, you might forget or even doubt it. So you need praise, incessant and passionate from all your creatures. Everything they do must be done for your glory, and yours alone. You go into a hissy fit if anyone else gets any attention.
Wouldn’t you just loathe somebody like Hypatia? Wouldn’t you love it when your faithful grasshoppers are eager to kill to protect your glory—your fragile, precarious glory?
Did it ever cross your mind that the bishop Cyril was not following the teachings of Christ when he did what he did? Or perhaps you just like to hear yourself blather on nonsense about how human action must demonstrate God's entire demeanor and relationship with his people? Then you quote verses from a 1000 years earlier out of context--not even understanding what the topic of the verse it. This just shows your ignorance of the subject of God and your grasp of Christianity as a whole. Perhaps you should stick to "yeah...what he said" until you understand what it is you are talking about. Well done!
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RE: Why Does God Need So Much Praise?
April 20, 2016 at 2:08 pm
(April 20, 2016 at 1:58 pm)SteveII Wrote: Did it ever cross your mind that the bishop Cyril was not following the teachings of Christ when he did what he did? Or perhaps you just like to hear yourself blather on nonsense about how human action must demonstrate God's entire demeanor and relationship with his people? Then you quote verses from a 1000 years earlier out of context--not even understanding what the topic of the verse it. This just shows your ignorance of the subject of God and your grasp of Christianity as a whole. Perhaps you should stick to "yeah...what he said" until you understand what it is you are talking about. Well done!
I will never understand how you christians keep mistaking "you don't know what you're talking about," for a complete and cogent rebuttal on its own. 
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RE: Why Does God Need So Much Praise?
April 20, 2016 at 2:23 pm
(April 20, 2016 at 2:08 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (April 20, 2016 at 1:58 pm)SteveII Wrote: Did it ever cross your mind that the bishop Cyril was not following the teachings of Christ when he did what he did? Or perhaps you just like to hear yourself blather on nonsense about how human action must demonstrate God's entire demeanor and relationship with his people? Then you quote verses from a 1000 years earlier out of context--not even understanding what the topic of the verse it. This just shows your ignorance of the subject of God and your grasp of Christianity as a whole. Perhaps you should stick to "yeah...what he said" until you understand what it is you are talking about. Well done!
I will never understand how you christians keep mistaking "you don't know what you're talking about," for a complete and cogent rebuttal on its own.
So, you think Rhondazvous was making even a remotely coherent connection between the observation and the conclusion? An then the verse about God's ultimate (future) victory over Satan as a support? It is fine (even expected) that most atheists don't know much about Christianity. But to start a thread, which Rhondazvous does quite often, with off-the-wall observations and conclusions that don't follow clearly falls under the "you don't know what you're talking about".
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RE: Why Does God Need So Much Praise?
April 20, 2016 at 3:02 pm
Quote:Did it ever cross your mind that the bishop Cyril was not following the teachings of Christ when he did what he did?
When did you fuckers ever?
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RE: Why Does God Need So Much Praise?
April 20, 2016 at 3:06 pm
Rob's point stands. The Biblical god doesn't even approach what I have in mind when I think of 'majesty' combined with such an alleged cocktail of qualities (intelligent and creative beyond reckoning, powerful beyond utterance, etc.).
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RE: Why Does God Need So Much Praise?
April 20, 2016 at 3:12 pm
(April 20, 2016 at 1:44 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: It reminds me of the passages I read in Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors (Sagan and Druyan), in which they described the way that an inferior-ranked chimp will present his rump to a dominant Alpha Male as a sign of submission.
Ironically, the people who prostrate themselves in this way are the quickest to deny our relationship with the chimpanzees.
You know I'm going to get that book. You shouldn'ta said nothing. 
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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RE: Why Does God Need So Much Praise?
April 20, 2016 at 3:33 pm
(April 20, 2016 at 1:58 pm)SteveII Wrote: Did it ever cross your mind that the bishop Cyril was not following the teachings of Christ when he did what he did? Or perhaps you just like to hear yourself blather on nonsense about how human action must demonstrate God's entire demeanor and relationship with his people? Then you quote verses from a 1000 years earlier out of context--not even understanding what the topic of the verse it. This just shows your ignorance of the subject of God and your grasp of Christianity as a whole. Perhaps you should stick to "yeah...what he said" until you understand what it is you are talking about. Well done!
Obviously, he was following the teachings of the Christ who in Luke 22:36 told his disciples to take their swords and if they had no sword to sell their cloak and buy one. You must be talking about the other Christ.
You really should study your bible more thoroughly before you call somebody ignorant. In my experience, people who don't believe the bible know a lot more about it than people who do.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
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RE: Why Does God Need So Much Praise?
April 20, 2016 at 4:13 pm
(April 20, 2016 at 3:33 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: (April 20, 2016 at 1:58 pm)SteveII Wrote: Did it ever cross your mind that the bishop Cyril was not following the teachings of Christ when he did what he did? Or perhaps you just like to hear yourself blather on nonsense about how human action must demonstrate God's entire demeanor and relationship with his people? Then you quote verses from a 1000 years earlier out of context--not even understanding what the topic of the verse it. This just shows your ignorance of the subject of God and your grasp of Christianity as a whole. Perhaps you should stick to "yeah...what he said" until you understand what it is you are talking about. Well done!
Obviously, he was following the teachings of the Christ who in Luke 22:36 told his disciples to take their swords and if they had no sword to sell their cloak and buy one. You must be talking about the other Christ.
You really should study your bible more thoroughly before you call somebody ignorant. In my experience, people who don't believe the bible know a lot more about it than people who do.
Luke 22:36 says to brutally beat to death women who are smart? Wow. What version are you reading? Perhaps you are reading the Ignorant Atheist's Guide to Taking Scripture Out of Context to Make You Feel Superior Commentary?
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