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Why do I need to be saved?
August 2, 2023 at 7:54 am
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If god doesn't send me to Hell, I choose to go there, then why do I need to be saved?
Like, isn't that what Christians say? God isn't sending you to hell; he gave us free choice and by sinning I'm essentially choosing hell over heaven.
I chose it. With my own free will your god gave to me. Why are you(Christians) trying to save me from something I chose and I want?
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RE: Why do I need to be saved?
August 2, 2023 at 8:08 am
(August 2, 2023 at 7:54 am)Ten Wrote: If god doesn't send me to Hell, I choose to go there, then why do I need to be saved?
Like, isn't that what Christians say? God isn't sending you to hell; he gave us free choice and by sinning I'm essentially choosing hell over heaven.
I chose it. With my own free will your god gave to me. Why are you(Christians) trying to me from something I chose and I want?
Well, they say it's a bad place. Nobody enjoys it.
So the idea is that if you choose it they think you're making a mistake. Like if your friend says "I think I'll get addicted to heroin. It's my free choice." You might try to talk him out of it.
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RE: Why do I need to be saved?
August 2, 2023 at 8:14 am
The preachers don't get any money if you save yourself.
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RE: Why do I need to be saved?
August 2, 2023 at 8:27 am
If satan hates god, why would it run hell like god wants? Wouldn't luciboi welcome all those souls who turned against god? Isn't that luciboi's whole schtick?
godiboi beliefs are stupid.
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RE: Why do I need to be saved?
August 2, 2023 at 9:28 am
(August 2, 2023 at 8:27 am)no one Wrote: If satan hates god, why would it run hell like god wants? Wouldn't luciboi welcome all those souls who turned against god? Isn't that luciboi's whole schtick?
godiboi beliefs are stupid.
Scenario 1: God has him chained up down there, with promises to "let you go" when* all the sinners are punished.
Scenario 2: Hell is the consolation prize in the War in Heaven.**
Scenario 3: Satan is good with second place.***
*"When" being "never", of course.
** "The winner writes the history, of course. So whoever won the war was, is, and ever shall be, the one true God.
*** But he does keep plotting for a rematch.
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RE: Why do I need to be saved?
August 2, 2023 at 9:43 am
Maybe you don't have to be saved because the afterlife is like in Tim Burton's masterpiece "Beetlejuice". The evidence for both is the same.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Why do I need to be saved?
August 2, 2023 at 1:14 pm
(This post was last modified: August 2, 2023 at 1:15 pm by Aegon.)
(August 2, 2023 at 7:54 am)Ten Wrote: If god doesn't send me to Hell, I choose to go there, then why do I need to be saved?
Like, isn't that what Christians say? God isn't sending you to hell; he gave us free choice and by sinning I'm essentially choosing hell over heaven.
I chose it. With my own free will your god gave to me. Why are you(Christians) trying to save me from something I chose and I want?
To be fair, if you legitimately believed that anyone who didn't worship Jesus would burn in Hell for all eternity, you'd want to convert as many people as you could. It would be the compassionate thing to do.
You would be objectively incorrect about the fundamentals of reality, but still, I understand their POV from an emotional perspective.
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RE: Why do I need to be saved?
August 2, 2023 at 1:48 pm
You have to be saved because a rib man did a bad thing with a mud woman and that made all of their children icky in the eyes of the garden lord.
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RE: Why do I need to be saved?
August 2, 2023 at 6:55 pm
Because we're all god-damned soulless heretics.
See you all in hell.
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RE: Why do I need to be saved?
August 2, 2023 at 8:23 pm
Because, if we don't, baby Jesus will cry, throw a tantrum, and send us all to hell with the rest of the other fun people.
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