Correcting grammar is racist.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I'm not saying there aren't any but I've been to the government website nothing I can see there, I found a newspaper article saying more white people are killed in England from murders involving racism than minorities but no other info
I'm on my phone though and admittedly it's not as quick as my PC

Finding stats based on race for the uk is hard. Yeesh
According to The Guardian almost half of "racial murders" are of white people. (But that was in 2006)
According to Wikipedia white people make up around 80% of the population.

So 20% of the population making up half of the "racial murder" victims.

I don't know what the heck a racial murder is though. The whole thing about white privilege is just the privilege of being less likely to be murdered in general. It's not about racism or racial murders. It's just being statistically less likely to be murdered.

I think another phenomenon here in America, which may or may not be prevalent in the UK or elsewhere, is the nexus between race, income equality, and educational opportunity.

Minorities here seem to have less access to quality primary education, which reduces income potential, which probably plays a part in them turning to criminal activity -- increasing incarceration rates, murder rates, and worse yet reinforcing negative stereotypes, thereby becoming a vicious cycle. Schools here being funded by property taxes, this lower income potential feeds the cycle. Minorities have more difficulties to overcome in this regard, and at its root is racial bias.

No doubt quite a few bootstrap out of it -- my brother-in-law is an example of that -- but it is a series of obstacles not faced by white folk such as myself.

[paulpablo]

I'm not saying there aren't any but I've been to the government website nothing I can see there, I found a newspaper article saying more white people are killed in England from murders involving racism than minorities but no other info
I'm on my phone though and admittedly it's not as quick as my PC

Finding stats based on race for the uk is hard. Yeesh
According to The Guardian almost half of "racial murders" are of white people. (But that was in 2006)
According to Wikipedia white people make up around 80% of the population.

So 20% of the population making up half of the "racial murder" victims.

I don't know what the heck a racial murder is though. The whole thing about white privilege is just the privilege of being less likely to be murdered in general. It's not about racism or racial murders. It's just being statistically less likely to be murdered.

The most recent analysis shows that in 2004, 87,000 people from black or minority ethnic communities (BME) said they had been a victim of a racially motivated crime. In the same period, 92,000 white people said they had also fallen victim.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6128466.stm

Just another link.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Finding stats based on race for the uk is hard. Yeesh
According to The Guardian almost half of "racial murders" are of white people. (But that was in 2006)
According to Wikipedia white people make up around 80% of the population.

So 20% of the population making up half of the "racial murder" victims.

I don't know what the heck a racial murder is though. The whole thing about white privilege is just the privilege of being less likely to be murdered in general. It's not about racism or racial murders. It's just being statistically less likely to be murdered.

The most recent analysis shows that in 2004, 87,000 people from black or minority ethnic communities (BME) said they had been a victim of a racially motivated crime. In the same period, 92,000 white people said they had also fallen victim.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6128466.stm

Just another link.

So what you're saying is that per capita, minorities are more likely to suffer race-based violence.

[paulpablo]

The most recent analysis shows that in 2004, 87,000 people from black or minority ethnic communities (BME) said they had been a victim of a racially motivated crime. In the same period, 92,000 white people said they had also fallen victim.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6128466.stm

Just another link.

So what you're saying is that per capita, minorities are more likely to suffer race-based violence.

That's exactly what the website is saying. It doesn't go into detail about who is committing the attacks, and overall it shows more attacks on white people.

[Edwardo Piet]

That's less attacks on white people. 90,000 something on white people, 80,000 something on black people= far more attacks on black people.

Why?

80% of the population are white. And there's still almost as many attacks on black people then, according to that. So percentage wise and proportionally, there is far far more attacks on black people.

[paulpablo]

That's less attacks on white people. 90,000 something on white people, 80,000 something on black people= far more attacks on black people.

Why?

80% of the population are white. And there's still almost as many attacks on black people then, according to that. So percentage wise and proportionally, there is far far more attacks on black people.

That's more attacks on white people.  90 is more than 80.  Correct as a percentage, a larger percentage of minorities report racial attacks.

Additionally that's not just black people that's black or minority people, and it's not just a report based on black on white racism vs white on black racism.

Most of the offenders (57%) in the racially motivated crimes identified in the British Crime Survey are not white. White victims said 82% of offenders were not white.

Among black victims of race crime, a quarter of offenders were identified as not white. Among Asian victims, the non-white proportion rises to a third.

So just according to this report and comparing that to your estimation that 80 percent of the population is white, that would mean that within 20 percent of the population (none white people) there are people who commit 57% of the racially motivated crimes, that's just according to this report and your estimation.

I don't know why.  From personal experience I know there's a lot of various Asian groups who sometimes have a tendency to dislike one another, Indian hindus, pakistani Muslims, Pathans, Afgans. It can get pretty territorial around Manchester and Birmingham with Asian gangs.

[paulpablo]

That's less attacks on white people. 90,000 something on white people, 80,000 something on black people= far more attacks on black people.

Why?

80% of the population are white. And there's still almost as many attacks on black people then, according to that. So percentage wise and proportionally, there is far far more attacks on black people.

That's more attacks on white people.  90 is more than 80.  Correct as a percentage, a larger percentage of minorities report racial attacks.

Additionally that's not just black people that's black or minority people, and it's not just a report based on black on white racism vs white on black racism.

Most of the offenders (57%) in the racially motivated crimes identified in the British Crime Survey are not white. White victims said 82% of offenders were not white.

Among black victims of race crime, a quarter of offenders were identified as not white. Among Asian victims, the non-white proportion rises to a third.

So just according to this report and comparing that to your estimation that 80 percent of the population is white, that would mean that within 20 percent of the population (none white people) there are people who commit 57% of the racially motivated crimes, that's just according to this report and your estimation.

I don't know why.  From personal experience I know there's a lot of various Asian groups who sometimes have a tendency to dislike one another, Indian hindus, pakistani Muslims, Pathans, Afgans. It can get pretty territorial around Manchester and Birmingham with Asian gangs.

Additionally, this report is just based on a survey it's just based on what people claim.  The article casts doubt on some of the claims of racist crimes since some Asians in the survey reported the theft of their car as being a racist crime.  But there were possibly people of other races making similar exaggerations in similar ways.

This posted twice for some reason.

[Losty]

So what you're saying is that per capita, minorities are more likely to suffer race-based violence.

That's exactly what the website is saying.  It doesn't go into detail about who is committing the attacks, and overall it shows more attacks on white people.

Overall there are more white people in the country. There's a difference between who has bigger numbers of people being attacked VS who is more likely to be attacked.

"Most of the offenders (57%) in the racially motivated crimes identified in the British Crime Survey are not white. White victims said 82% of offenders were not white."

But no one here is saying whites are more racist or more likely to commit racist crime. I thought we were talking about white privilege. What happened? White privilege doesn't amount to white people are bad mmmkay

[paulpablo]

because there is far more racism against brown-skinned immigrants than racism against white people in the UK. 

I was just responding to this.  From the newspaper reports I showed it seems that although you're more likely to be the victim of a racially motivated crime if you're non white, overall there are more incidents of racially motivated murders and crimes in general against white people.

I don't really see what there would be to discuss about white privilege really.  It seems to me like it does exist depending on how you define it but it's a grain of sand in a desert of possibilities when it comes to what could be a privilege. 

You're privileged if you have a big dick, unless you have cancer, unless you overcome that cancer and survive then you will be privileged again, that is unless you're a white south African farmer about to get machetted to death by a black mob then you will be unprivileged again unless you have the privilege of owning guns while people around you are trying to kill you with knives. 

And I wonder what white privilege is and how it fits in with the definition of what privileges are.

The term white privilege makes no sense to me due to the generalization of the term and the size of the white race globally and in America, if you're relating the definition to the definition of privilege.

a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.


That's the definition of privilege.  So what would white privilege be?


You can certainly say white people aren't incarcerated as much as black people in America but it's not a special right as a white person to not be incarcerated because white people are incarcerated.  I don't know what immunity or special right is given specifically to white people as a group. 


And I'm not just trying to be a dick by questioning this, like someone saying spiders aren't always arachnids because some are born without 8 legs.  I'm saying there's not just a few freak instances of white people being poor, uneducated, in prison.  This is pretty much the case talking about America and even more so talking globally.  

You could say a specific king has certain privileges, a specific group of white people have privileges, native Americans are granted some privileges as far as I know involving hunting in America.

If white privilege is just a reflection of some general statistics about correlative trends between income, incarceration, crime and race then that's what it is but I don't understand the word privilege being a part of that.

[Thumpalumpacus]

So what you're saying is that per capita, minorities are more likely to suffer race-based violence.

That's exactly what the website is saying.  It doesn't go into detail about who is committing the attacks, and overall it shows more attacks on white people.

... which is another way of saying that it doesn't address Losty's point.