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RE: Did Jesus exist at all?
April 30, 2016 at 3:15 am
(April 30, 2016 at 2:57 am)Mudhammam Wrote: (April 30, 2016 at 2:26 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Like I said, the source of the Jesus myth does not matter at all. Jesus Christ of Nazareth did not exist in the same sense that Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter did not exist. Even if there was a guy named Jesus preaching at that time, he is not the Bible character. The Bible character is made up (pretty sure the magic powers would give that away), and that character is the only one that matters to the validity of the Christian faith. A mundane guy named Jesus does nothing for them, a bunch of guys for that character to be based on does nothing for them, and a previous iteration of that character with no Earthly component to his deeds CERTAINLY wouldn't help them, and those are by far the three most likely scenarios.
I'm sure that Rake and Nest-Egg here will chime in with "Oh, no main-stream historian thinks blah blah blah..." fine. Don't care. The magic zombie-Jew wasn't real, regardless of where the story actually came from. True, and trivial. Glad you're catching on that everybody in history is written into books from the standpoint of their authors.
What's trivial is squabbling over whether Earth's most popular imaginary friend is based on a singular, historical figure.
That said, even a mundane Jesus has less demonstrable historicity than, say, Socrates, so I still don't really see any evidence that justifies the certainty of the pro-historicity crowd in that case (not that it matters a jot).
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
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RE: Did Jesus exist at all?
April 30, 2016 at 10:34 am
(April 30, 2016 at 2:59 am)Mudhammam Wrote: (April 30, 2016 at 2:15 am)Minimalist Wrote: He's a believer. They are totally into fairy tales and reality throws them for a fucking loop. Rather, I'm a believer in the same sense that Min is a historian... Or a logical person... Or a person who pretends to care about history from a logical point of view.
So 'believer' is an accurate description, then?
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RE: Did Jesus exist at all?
April 30, 2016 at 12:08 pm
(April 30, 2016 at 2:59 am)Mudhammam Wrote: (April 30, 2016 at 2:15 am)Minimalist Wrote: He's a believer. They are totally into fairy tales and reality throws them for a fucking loop. Rather, I'm a believer in the same sense that Min is a historian... Or a logical person... Or a person who pretends to care about history from a logical point of view.
Horseshit, pal. You could care less about history. What you want is for someone (anyone) to tell you that your bullshit is real. You want validation for your superstitions and there is nothing real out there to support you.
Just bible bullshit written by other jackasses.
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RE: Did Jesus exist at all?
April 30, 2016 at 2:15 pm
(April 30, 2016 at 12:48 am)Mudhammam Wrote: (April 19, 2016 at 11:59 am)Hoppingbunny Wrote: If he did exist, then obviously he was so minor that either 1. Nothing was written about him when he was alive or 2. Very little was written about him when he was alive but all those writings are lost. Again?
Yes. Of course. No serious historian has provided evidence that Jesus existed.
Next question.
Fixed your post for accuracy. Biblical "history is essentially theologians playing at history, very badly. Good historians tend to steer away from the jesus stories because there is little to no history in them.
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RE: Did Jesus exist at all?
April 30, 2016 at 2:21 pm
(April 30, 2016 at 12:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (April 30, 2016 at 2:59 am)Mudhammam Wrote: Rather, I'm a believer in the same sense that Min is a historian... Or a logical person... Or a person who pretends to care about history from a logical point of view.
Horseshit, pal. You could care less about history. What you want is for someone (anyone) to tell you that your bullshit is real. You want validation for your superstitions and there is nothing real out there to support you.
Just bible bullshit written by other jackasses.
Well he has admitted that he only pretends to care about history. We have his metier now, and its in the gutter.
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RE: Did Jesus exist at all?
April 30, 2016 at 6:21 pm
Hmmm.
Came up with this whilst out and about today;
has anyone correlated contemporary US Jewish temples and their conspicuous lack of 'money changers' in their parking lots with Christ's supposed cleansing of a similar facility in Jerusalem a couple millennia ago ??
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RE: Did Jesus exist at all?
April 30, 2016 at 7:10 pm
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RE: Did Jesus exist at all?
April 30, 2016 at 7:12 pm
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I thought the banks were the Jewish temples.
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RE: Did Jesus exist at all?
April 30, 2016 at 7:14 pm
(April 19, 2016 at 9:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: (April 19, 2016 at 5:56 pm)Minimalist Wrote: G-C has bought the bullshit story, hook, line and sinker.
It's sad that a grown man can be such an infant.
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You don't have the vaguest understand the concept of "knowing", and Imagine it to be nothing more than childishly fervent wishthinking, so you are in absolutely no position to say what people would do when they actually know.
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RE: Did Jesus exist at all?
April 30, 2016 at 7:16 pm
(April 30, 2016 at 7:12 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: I thought the banks were the Jewish temples.
Yes, but they've modernized.
If catholicks were less stupid they would have let that silly little wafer morph into a donut hole. Something a little tastier and they could serve it with Dr. Pepper or Diet Coke.
Might get a few more takers that way.
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