TV boss found guilty of beheading wife.

[BeoTurtle]

How convenient to leave out a key element

The law is.... if you go cheating on your wife(husband)/kids and do it carelessly where 4 or more people witnessed the act. You'll get punished for this.

BTW, I don't know what kind of relationships you been in.... but most people want a relationship with certainty and openness. Cheating on your spouse should be the last thing to think about....... just know the consequences..... you can't be a COWERD and have the best of everything.

There are other options as far as this religion is concerned, like divorce, second marriage, ...etc.

I don't know if you ever lived in a tight-knitted community, where everyone helps everyone else, where kids grow in the presence of other kids, family party's on a monthly basis. Its different than the stubborn, very competitive environment of a large city like New York.

I didn't leave it out, you refused to comment on it in my first post in this topic.

And stop appealing to ad hominem judgements, whether or not I had any past relationships is irrelevant so stop bringing it up.

[ruhollah]

This religion demands discipline so people behave honestly with one another like real men and women.

To an outsider, Ru, that religion looks like a barbaric cult which is real big on punishing women. That's not such a surprise.....it was invented by men.


Not gods.

Min, the problem is that the media will pay more attention when a female being punished...

Men are being punished much more than women, so when a women has death sentence it is shocking for everyone

Now for an outsider, I can understand, if you look at Muslim women wearing a veil you can question why they are forced to wear clothing like that. I think a muslim women can discuss this issue better than I can...
However, all I can say is that most Muslim women (just like Nuns) want to dress modestly in public as a way to show respect to the community.

If all women were free to wear what every they want, there will clearly be a competition to wear the most skimpy clothing to attract the most males. If you go to high schools all over America, you won't belive what kind of clothing the females are wearing. No wonder why the men are falling behind in education. How can they concentrate if the girls sitting in front of him are showing so much skin?

Today so many girls are complaining how men are stupid and are can't behave properly. Maybe it has something to do with the distracting environment they are in.

Secondly there are so many pregnant girls in these high-school, who are aborting their babies because it is most convenient thing they can do. If the baby does get born, they are now a single mom and have to either find a mate who will accept another male's baby or they will live the rest of their lives husband-less with a child who will later on either blame her or have a chip on his/her shoulder and take it out on the community. The emotional ride for girl to go through is not worth it.

Remember, this religion is to help have peace with yourself. It to protect you from all negative vibes in life.

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How convenient to leave out a key element

The law is.... if you go cheating on your wife(husband)/kids and do it carelessly where 4 or more people witnessed the act. You'll get punished for this.

BTW, I don't know what kind of relationships you been in.... but most people want a relationship with certainty and openness. Cheating on your spouse should be the last thing to think about....... just know the consequences..... you can't be a COWERD and have the best of everything.

There are other options as far as this religion is concerned, like divorce, second marriage, ...etc.

I don't know if you ever lived in a tight-knitted community, where everyone helps everyone else, where kids grow in the presence of other kids, family party's on a monthly basis. Its different than the stubborn, very competitive environment of a large city like New York.

I didn't leave it out, you refused to comment on it in my first post in this topic.

And stop appealing to ad hominem judgements, whether or not I had any past relationships is irrelevant so stop bringing it up.

you said:

"Oh by the way, if you have sex with another guy during our marriage, I and the whole town will stone you to death like barbarians"

you left out the 4 witnesses in this quote

also if you don't want to discuss relationships, then don't bring up your GF as an example in these discussions

[Rayaan]

The goal of this religion is to protect individuals, their homes, businesses, community and environment. This religion demands discipline so people behave honestly with one another like real men and women.

If those committing live adultery (again in front of 4 people which is realistically is so rare that it doesn't even happen in a porn studio) go unpunished, the victims will start questioning this religion. How can this religion and the community be so cruel to let their coward parent go free...etc.

Well said. The punishment laws in Shariah are mainly for the purpose of protecting society from the insecurity caused by criminals and by certain actions of individuals.

Similarly, the philosophical basis of Western law is not punishment but reform. Prisons were initially created with the Christian Puritan notion that if people were isolated from the rest of society and forced to reflect upon their crimes, they would emerge reformed individuals who are no longer a threat to society. Prisons are a way in which society is protected from the crimes of people whom the society no longer trusts to uphold the social contract.

[Zen Badger]

Rulloh

You represent EVERYTHING that I find vile and disgusting with islam.

I piss on your koran and spit on your prohphet.

[ruhollah]

Rulloh

You represent EVERYTHING that I find vile and disgusting with islam.

I piss on your koran and spit on your prohphet.

go ask your ex that you cheated on to see what she thinks of you

you'd be surprised she'll more or less say the same thing about you

[Zen Badger]

Rulloh

You represent EVERYTHING that I find vile and disgusting with islam.

I piss on your koran and spit on your prohphet.

go ask your ex that you cheated on to see what she thinks of you

you'd be surprised she'll more or less say the same thing about you

I'm sure she would, but at least I'm alive to have the conversation.

This is the thing, adulterery is not a good thing and no one here says that it is, even me.

But the victims of the stonings that I have posted weren't all adulterers, one was a young girl that had been gang raped, when she reported she was stoned for adultery.

And even for the ones that were adulterers, you think that the only punishment is stoning?

This serves the interests of no-one, exept the bitter twisted old men who imposed the sentence and probably wank off on little boys later whilst fantasizing about what they caused.

[Minimalist]

Min, the problem is that the media will pay more attention when a female being punished...

But I'm more concerned with the reason for the punishment, Ru. Not the gross numbers of how many thieves had their hands chopped off at the Saturday Night Public Punishment Session in Riyadh.



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[theVOID]

How is it that every religious person on here defending their religion ALWAYS says the exact same thing...
"I'm not THAT kind of Muslim, or I'm not THAT kind of Christian"

It's perfectly legitimate, unless you can find some direct preachment that caused or influenced the actions then using the reasoning "That's not part of my faith" is valid. So far as I can tell there was no religious support for his actions. It's unfortunate for Muslims in the sense that this man's associations are going to cause some twats elsewhere in the world to reinforce their negative stereotypes while as usual ignoring that over 1 billion people of the same faith are rather ethical.

[ruhollah]

I'm sure she would, but at least I'm alive to have the conversation.

This is the thing, adultery is not a good thing and no one here says that it is, even me.

But the victims of the stonings that I have posted weren't all adulterers, one was a young girl that had been gang raped, when she reported she was stoned for adultery.

And even for the ones that were adulterers, you think that the only punishment is stoning?

This serves the interests of no-one, exept the bitter twisted old men who imposed the sentence and probably wank off on little boys later whilst fantasizing about what they caused.

Hi Zen, I think there is a misunderstanding, it seems like this punishment is the one thing that turns you off from this religion....

- When it comes to those stonings, you are right, some of them do not deserve it. They had the wrong sentence. RAPE VICTIMS are NOT TO BE STONED as far as this religion is concerned.

- Now stoning sentence is suppose to be very rare, it is there to deter people from cheating on their spouses behind their back. It is there so people don't question this religion and the family institution.

- Now if you did commit adultery, it is encouraged to not report it to your spouse. This religion allows you to lie to your spouse to keep the marriage from breaking apart.

Again, it is okay to lie to your spouse in regards to adultery, but don't do it again and pray for forgiveness. If it was just a moral slip, it is okay just don't go out and tell people and certainly don't go out and boast about it.

Now say hypothetically speaking, 4 people witnessed you commited that act; it is strongly encouraged that those 4 witnesses to not come forth and reveal this moral slip. The only time it will happen is if the sex occurred live in front of the public and those people committing act have no remorse or feelings whatsoever towards their spouse/family.

- The authorities who give out these punishments are not the type that get off on power trips. They don't want to hear about it.

If you want to reveal it, you have to go to the authority and tell them 4 times that you committed the act. They will then ask for 4 witnesses and your lover. They will question those as well and IF THEY ALL confirm. A DNA test is conducted to verify, then they will conduct the sentencing.

If you are put on the trial, you can say you have mental issues and you can be freed. There are a lot of opportunities to get out of such a sentence.




--- Now what are some alternatives to adultry?

As I mentioned you could of divorced.

Or you can have a second marriage... what do I mean by that?

In your situation it is obvious that you love KichigaiNeko, and the same time you still have some sort of love for your ex, and if you have children, you clearly love them. You wouldn't want to divorce but at the same time you are forced to share your love towards one spouse.

As far as this religion is concerned, you can keep being married to your ex-wife and at the same time marry KichigaiNeko. The reason is, your ex-family doesn't have to suffer financially and your ex-spouse doesn't have to go out and work and try to find another mate to support her and your kids. At the same time it ensures the relationship with KichigaiNeko is not a fling, ie. one time thing where you enjoy her presences up to a point and then leave her.

This religion wants people to be together, not separate and not make hard choices in life. It wants people to be happy and not be cheated by one another. Marry two different women is permissible in this religion.

[theVOID]

Hi Zen, I think there is a misunderstanding, it seems like this punishment is the one thing that turns you off from this religion....

The ONE thing?