Under what definition of Christianity?
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No such thing as a "true" Christian
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(April 24, 2011 at 12:42 am)Watson Wrote: Under what definition of Christianity? Quote:The Catholic Way of Salvation Quote:Traditionally, Protestants believe salvation is a gift of God, granted by faith. On the day of judgment, all people will be resurrected, those who have believed and trusted in Christ to a life of blessedness in the presence of God, and those who have rejected God's gift to a place of torment and separation from God. Quote:Jehovah’s Witnesses are taught that the 'born again experience, the right to be a child of God, belongs only to a elite group consisting of only 144,000 followers. Christ is their mediator only and they are the only ones going to heaven. This group is known as the anointed class who have being gathered out of all nations since Pentecost. "Only a limited number are born again. The great crowd does not need to be born again. Their life is earthly, not heavenly." Quote:The Mormon church teaches two kinds of salvation, neither of which can be found in the Bible. One of these kinds of salvation is an unconditional or general salvation which comes by grace alone without any obedience to gospel law and consists in the mere fact of being resurrected after death. The Latter Day Saint believes that all people will automatically be resurrected from the grave. This convenient belief down plays the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. They choose to believe in different levels of heaven or glory rather than in the existence of a hell, therefore the savior would seem to be of no real importance. Quote:For a Muslim, the purpose of life is to live in a way that is pleasing to Allah so that one may gain Paradise. It is believed that at puberty, an account of each person's deeds is opened, and this will be used at the Day of Judgment to determine his eternal fate. The Qur'an also suggests a doctrine of divine predestination. {1} Quote:Scientologists believe that they will return to an embodied existence after they end this present life and will be able to continue to work for the goals of Scientology of freeing the planet. Exclusionist bastards, all of them. Placed beside the others Scientology does not look any more stupid than the rest of your absurd fairy tales.
Sorry, but I'm not a Catholic, a Protestant, a Jehovah's Witness, a Mormon, a Muslim or a Scientologist. Try again.
(April 24, 2011 at 12:42 am)Watson Wrote: Under what definition of Christianity? I hope that the members of this forum can appreciate the Irony of a Christian asking this question on a thread titled "No such thing as a "true" Christian" Holy shit...I think that post has caused the Goblins to come out again <---Goblin loves Watsons post! (April 23, 2011 at 10:19 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote:(April 22, 2011 at 12:54 am)Godschild Wrote:(April 21, 2011 at 11:30 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: There's no such thing as a true Christian, because if you ask all Christians about what other denominations believe, they'll tell you that they're not true Christians. For example, ask Protestants about Catholics, and ask Catholics about Protestants. No judgement on my part rev.j, it is you who's judging others. Yes I know what Christ had to say about those who are church goers that believe they are saved when they are not. Christ said that we true christians would know them by their fruit (works). Paul also told many in the churches he started to beware of the wolf in sheeps clothing. Paul writes directly about some of these people. So your twisting of scripture gets you nowhere with me, your small mind just can not comprehend scriptures. You are not the all knowing one that you want others to believe you are. To bad you left the church, if you had stuck around you might have learned a thing or two. If that's why you left it was a petty reason. You see rev.j Christ and Paul both give us reason to watch out for those who are not saved and teach false doctrine, someone like you.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(April 24, 2011 at 2:16 am)Godschild Wrote: your small mind just can not comprehend scriptures. What exactly is there to comprehend? The scriptures(indeed the bible) is just a load of old hooey designed to keep the weak minded and credulous in line. Simply put, religion is the emotional refuge for those that can't deal with the fact that the universe at large doesn't care about them. If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71. (April 23, 2011 at 8:16 am)Strongbad Wrote:(April 23, 2011 at 1:12 am)Godschild Wrote: Yes I do know why and how a person is saved, if I didn't then how could I be saved. I said they were not saved. They may have the knowledge to be saved but they have not accept it in their hearts, just knowing in this case does not get you all the way there. Obviously they are not. It's obvious that you read a christians post and have predetermined what one has posted. Tell me something Sbad why is it that when one experiences a lost love that the pain is in the middle of ones chest, that is if you have human emotions of this type. Yes the physical and psychological crime is aganist the child and all those who care about that child, the spiritual crime (sin) is aganist God. Sorry if I seemed to have left out the human victims I did not mean to. Correct thoughts have nothing to do with forgiveness, repentance has everything to do with forgiveness. When a priest rapes a child be it boy or girl that priest is not a christian worthy of forgiveness because in my opinion the priest is not a christian, the priest never received Christ into his life.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian
April 24, 2011 at 2:54 am
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(April 24, 2011 at 2:16 am)Godschild Wrote: No judgement on my part rev.j, it is you who's judging others.Right..you know who is going to spend eternity in paradise and who will be burning in hell forever, yet Iam the one being judgemental. Im open minded enough to say that your god may possibly exist, and if he does exist, then he does not need your PERMISSION to do anything godschild. Seems to be something you fundies have a hard time understanding about an all powerful god. He can do whatever the fuck he wants regardless of what you say. So if he thinks you are a dick for hanging out on atheist forums then he will surely punish you for it, or maybe he will forgive you. Maybe I made him laugh, so he forgave me. Maybe he will only put people in hell fore for just a few seconds, then forgive them once he see them writhe in pain. Now..here is where you show how judgemental you are by stating you know exactly what god wants, and what god will do, and you know some who will be saved and others who will not...as if the majority of this board doesnt already sneer at you for being a fucking hypocrite. (April 24, 2011 at 2:16 am)Godschild Wrote: Yes I know what Christ had to say about those who are church goers that believe they are saved when they are not. Christ said that we true christians would know them by their fruit (works). Paul also told many in the churches he started to beware of the wolf in sheeps clothing. Paul writes directly about some of these people. So your twisting of scripture gets you nowhere with me, your small mind just can not comprehend scriptures. You are not the all knowing one that you want others to believe you are. To bad you left the church, if you had stuck around you might have learned a thing or two. If that's why you left it was a petty reason.See, there is another I really dont care about you, or other Baptists. They care more for the words of Paul than of Jesus. Quite frankly you are a Paulian, and they tend to be the most hateful and ignorant type of Gentiles in my opinion. I dont twsit scripture with you because a few weeks ago I told myself that I would never post another bible verse for you again, nor would I waste my time sorting through your crappy book of myths to prove it is a crappy book of myths. I left the church because of hateful shit fucks like you. Quite frankly I am offended that you would accuse me of thinking myself "all knowing" when I have the word "Absurdist" right next to my pic, and if you actually READ what absurdism was you would know it is the EXACT OPPOSITE of being a know it all jerk. In fact I clearly state that NOBODY will probably ever find an inherent meaning of life, or an inherent form of government. They can still try, but it will probably be fruitless. How..the FUCK... is that being a know it all? I left the baptist church because I grew tired and angry of its members acting the way you are acting right now, self righteous, judgemental, holier than thou pricks. (April 24, 2011 at 2:16 am)Godschild Wrote: You see rev.j Christ and Paul both give us reason to watch out for those who are not saved and teach false doctrine, someone like you.OMG, Im shaking in my fucking boots. Your imaginary Christ and Paul told you to watch out for people who might tell you that the bible is a book of myths? What a shock! A cult book advising its members to seperate themselves from non-cultists? Say it aint so?
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(April 23, 2011 at 12:34 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:(April 23, 2011 at 1:12 am)Godschild Wrote: As long as they have accepted Christ as the Son of God and repented of their sin and continue to live for Him then yes they are saved. Many of the so called saved church goers will say that they have received Christ into their lives just so they want feel out of place. Many church goers know how to answer the question when asked about salvation because they heard the answer many times before. The problem is they never really understood what receiveing Christ into their lives means. I've heard many people say that they thought they knew what salvation was and that they had received it, but later in their lives realized that they had been fooling themselves. I know this personally because I was one of them before I realized that one must have a heart change that comes along with salvation. There are also those who go to church because it is politically, personally,financially and ect. expedent for them and they will say they are saved. I've even heard people say they were saved because the church gave them a Bible. So many go to church with their ears closed and even more go with their hearts closed. Many want the benifits of salvation without the relationship with Christ, to much responsibility for them and it just dosen't work that way. HAPPY EASTER TO ALL!!!
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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