Well, if the only things certain in life are death and taxes, then I'd say I'm paying for my will. (Thanks Obama.)
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If free will was not real
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Well, if the only things certain in life are death and taxes, then I'd say I'm paying for my will. (Thanks Obama.)
![]() (August 21, 2016 at 9:03 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Other than the nagging fact that it isn't in evidence, as determinism is? IDK. Rhythm, what's with the winks lately? Are trying to make a new friend or something? (August 21, 2016 at 9:04 pm)bennyboy Wrote: . . . and they are not done with free will. Boo on you. Do you even understand the difference between voluntary and involuntary actions when it comes to the human body? Basic anatomy. Learn it.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter RE: If free will was not real
August 21, 2016 at 9:09 pm
(This post was last modified: August 21, 2016 at 9:12 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Just trying to remind people that I'm a jolly bearded idiot (with drink in hand)...because the things I -say- are aggressive and unfriendly...and it;s impossible to determine tone over the internet.
Benny, for example, knows this about me(which is why he and I can disagree so epicly and still be buddies). The rest of you cocksuckers don't. ![]()
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
You can be yourself with me, even though the winks are kind of nice. They give your posts a certain charm, certainly.
(August 21, 2016 at 9:09 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:(August 21, 2016 at 9:04 pm)bennyboy Wrote: . . . and they are not done with free will. Dude, do you even LIFT? Wait. . . wrong thread. (August 21, 2016 at 9:09 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Just trying to remind people that I'm a jolly bearded idiot (with drink in hand)...because the things I -say- are aggressive and unfriendly...and it;s impossible to determine tone over the internet. Buddies? Just "buddies?" After all I've put up with?! RE: If free will was not real
August 22, 2016 at 2:22 am
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2016 at 2:23 am by Gemini.)
(August 21, 2016 at 7:56 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: What is happening in the brain of someone with a gun pointed at them that is different from the same brain imagining its future state after choosing the chocolate cake? The differences you would see with neuroimaging. Quote:How is having a gun pointed at my head not just another decision to be made? I fail to see the distinction between the two decisions is anything more than an artifact of your definition. You could define free will as making decisions in the absence of Bobo the clown, simply making a definition doesn't imbue the situation with metaphysical properties it didn't have before the definition. The kind of classic compatibilism I'm arguing for isn't a metaphysical position. We aren't suggesting that the definition imbues the situation with metaphysical properties. We do believe that freedom from duress/coercion by other agents is more salient to agent autonomy than the absence of Bobo the clown. Quote:If our will isn't free under 'duress' then it isn't free under ordinary thought processes either. You say that being free from duress/coercion is a real property that human beings can have. I'm not seeing the 'real' part of it in the brain. Just decisions. Gun, no gun. Cake, no cake. It's all the same in the brain. It's not metaphysically free, in the sense of contra-causal free will, no. Is there a difference is how the causal process of making a decision to eat cake vs. making a decision with a gun pointed at your head is experienced? I should hope so; so long as you're not conflating determinism with fatalism, there should be a difference in the way these decisions are experienced. Likewise, if, for example, a bank employee emptied out several accounts she was entrusted with, it will make a tremendous difference in how we react to that whether there was gun pointed at her head or whether she made the decision free from duress. Compatibilists aren't arguing that the latter case justifies retributive punishment, but it does require that we take action toward this agent that we wouldn't if she was acting under duress. Again, these distinctions are meaningful in these types of contexts, and that's what compatibilists are pointing out.
A Gemma is forever.
(August 21, 2016 at 9:09 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Just trying to remind people that I'm a jolly bearded idiot (with drink in hand)...because the things I -say- are aggressive and unfriendly...and it;s impossible to determine tone over the internet. Hey, this cocksucker knows it. ![]()
A Gemma is forever.
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