(September 6, 2016 at 4:40 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (September 6, 2016 at 10:11 am)Little Rik Wrote: Wrong again yog. 
Yoga meditation require not hard work but very very hard mental work.
Out of 100 people who start this practice maybe only one or two continue for sometime
and out of this one or two 90% of them stop practicing after sometime due to the frustration
of not getting an easy and mystical meditation.
Been there done that yog.
When your link say............After examining 27 people with different levels of meditation experience, he found 63 per cent of them had suffered at least one negative effect and seven per cent profoundly adverse effects.....it is obvious that D.Shapiro examined mainly those who fail and therefore I agree with him that meditation may have negative effect but negative effect for those who fail only.
For those who overcome the difficulties is a different story.
The same story apply to anyone who wish to get a degree in something.
Only few people succeed while most of them fail.
I once want to get a black belt in Aikido.
After the few month of hard work I gave up.
I was frustrated no question about it.
That is quite natural that by not succeeding a person feel negative effect.
If this Shapiro wish really to know about negative or positive effect on meditation he should come
to one of mine group meditation and interview those who succeed.
One more important point.
There are different types of yoga meditation.
Not all of them lead to a mystical meditation.
There are certain rules to follow if you want that the meditation lead to a mystical experience and progress.
The most important point is to have the proper mantra.
Only a real guru can do that.
Most of the gurus give old mantras that can not possibly lead in the correct direction.
Other rules are that you close your eyes and keep your spine straight during meditation,
that you follow a vegetarian or vegan diet and several other things.
I don't really know where this guy went to do his research but it is obvious to me that he didn't understand how the system works. 
This is nothing but a list of ad hoc excuses. You're all "I've got this excuse, and that excuse, and this other excuse...." It don't mean shit. You didn't provide any evidence that any of your 'exceptions' even apply. You just pulled a bunch of shit out of your ass. You've wasted everybody's time typing it up because it doesn't count for squat. Any asshole can pull a bunch of lame excuses out of their behind. What you didn't do was provide legitimate criticisms of the facts quoted. Probably because you don't have any. What a waste of bandwidth.
Wrong once again yog.
Your knowledge in psychology is next to zero and if combined with a total lack of knowledge about yoga then is quite easy to see your skepticism.
To understand what happen during yoga meditation is also important to understand what happen during the withdrawal symptoms for drug, alcohol smoke or any other addiction.
The body and mind try to stick to the old habit.
Body and mind came to the point that now control you.
You are no longer able to control them and to turn the wheel around is not easy.
Most of the people who try fail.
Only few succeed.
Yoga work along similar lines.
Our materialism, our bad habits (nobody is perfect) and our karma are ingrained in our consciousness.
They refuse to let go.
By practicing yoga you try to turn the wheel around and that is very hard work that only few succeed.
To do this everybody in the beginning have to go through the withdraw symptom.
You may feel that to be a negative symptom.
In effect is a positive sign that progress is possible.
Dr. Shapiro confuse the frustration of doing the hard work which is a positive sign with negative symptoms that is why I said that he is 100% wrong.
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