"Orange is the New Black" on Atheism

[ScienceAf]

Why does god let us die for nothing?

Why do you say we die for nothing, and if we do, how does this make a case for the non-existence of God?

Why does god send people to hell to burn without rehabilitation?

I don't believe the bible teaches this, but if it is true, how does this make a case for the non-existence of God?

Why does god make life shitty enough for us to kill ourselves (unrelated to quote)?

I don't think life is shitty enough to kill ourselves, but if it is, how does this make a case for the non-existence of God?

This quote makes me think, why do people bother with god?
We should speak the words out loud that...

We bother with God because we believe that he has reveled himself to us and is present with us.  I don't think think that in order for God to exist life has to be perfect.  "There is suffering, therefore there is no God" makes no sense to me.

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It's not for the non-existence of "god".
It's for why he is evil and bullshit.

Now if you may...
Answer the questions.

God is evil, and malevolent if he exists.
He could do something.
But he doesn't give a fuck.

And provide a case for the existence of god.
With citations, specialized authors, peer-reviews, etc.

And pascals wager here dude.
Your religion ain't perfect either, I'm taking account to all of the Jedeo-chrsitain/Islamic religions and dominations.

I'm not going to worship a dick head god.
No one should.
I haven't bowed down to Saddam Hussein (Muslim) or Hitler (Christian) or even Stalin (Atheist).
Hitler wasn't that bad expect for the part for where he killed millions of Jews in a holy war.
He did care about animals, did meth, and cared for his people.
He even had a wife.
Except he's better than god.

He knew when to kill himself.

However Hitler had a choice to not kill them. But he let them die.
God had a choice to let them live. But he let them die.

If god lets us be happy we won't be affected by free will.
It's will against will and if we succumb than if was our choice.
But god doesn't offer us help. So we don't have much of a choice.

If a guns pointed at my head and the mugger says "Gimme your money," is it my fault that I'm dead when I say "No,"?

[Lek]

God is evil, and malevolent if he exists.
He could do something.
But he doesn't give a fuck.

God is not evil, he gives us all eternal life with him.  He could do something about suffering and death, but they're not evil if they are for a good purpose.

And provide a case for the existence of god.
With citations, specialized authors, peer-reviews, etc.

There is no scientific proof for God with citations, etc., and there doesn't need to be.  We can't prove the existence of other life in the universe, but with the size of the universe, I'd bet that there is. I believe in God because I searched for him and he caused me to believe.  As far as atheism, I see no natural explanation for the existence of the universe or any answer to the questions of how far the universe extends or what lies beyond the universe.  I personally see a greater case for something something supernatural co-existing with the natural universe.

And pascals wager here dude.
Your religion ain't perfect either, I'm taking account to all of the Jedeo-chrsitain/Islamic religions and dominations.

I don't claim my religion is perfect.  No religion is perfect. No human belief system is perfect.

However Hitler had a choice to not kill them. But he let them die.
God had a choice to let them live. But he let them die.

Life is our existence from the beginning to the end, not just to when we're finished here.  God allows us to live eternally.

If god lets us be happy we won't be affected by free will.
It's will against will and if we succumb than if was our choice.
But god doesn't offer us help. So we don't have much of a choice.

God doesn't have to let us be happy, but he does.  He helps, but if you want his help you need to let him be the boss.  There are conditions and you have the free will not to accept those conditions.

If a guns pointed at my head and the mugger says "Gimme your money," is it my fault that I'm dead when I say "No,"?

If I say "if you go into that alley a mugger is going to kill you" is it your fault that you're dead if you go anyway?

[Lek]

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Well said!  

[Lek]

See the real post above!

[Crossless2.0]

See the real post above!

I did. Just busting your balls.

[ScienceAf]

God is evil, and malevolent if he exists.
He could do something.
But he doesn't give a fuck.

God is not evil, he gives us all eternal life with him.  He could do something about suffering and death, but they're not evil if they are for a good purpose.

And provide a case for the existence of god.
With citations, specialized authors, peer-reviews, etc.

There is no scientific proof for God with citations, etc., and there doesn't need to be.  We can't prove the existence of other life in the universe, but with the size of the universe, I'd bet that there is. I believe in God because I searched for him and he caused me to believe.  As far as atheism, I see no natural explanation for the existence of the universe or any answer to the questions of how far the universe extends or what lies beyond the universe.  I personally see a greater case for something something supernatural co-existing with the natural universe.

And pascals wager here dude.
Your religion ain't perfect either, I'm taking account to all of the Jedeo-chrsitain/Islamic religions and dominations.

I don't claim my religion is perfect.  No religion is perfect. No human belief system is perfect.

However Hitler had a choice to not kill them. But he let them die.
God had a choice to let them live. But he let them die.

Life is our existence from the beginning to the end, not just to when we're finished here.  God allows us to live eternally.

If god lets us be happy we won't be affected by free will.
It's will against will and if we succumb than if was our choice.
But god doesn't offer us help. So we don't have much of a choice.

God doesn't have to let us be happy, but he does.  He helps, but if you want his help you need to let him be the boss.  There are conditions and you have the free will not to accept those conditions.

If a guns pointed at my head and the mugger says "Gimme your money," is it my fault that I'm dead when I say "No,"?

If I say "if you go into that alley a mugger is going to kill you" is it your fault that you're dead if you go anyway?

Give me life so I can suffer? I'd rather not exist.
He should be smart enough to create life with only pleasure, or heaven.
Expect everywhere.
He should make his presence known first hand.
Otherwise why should take his word.

He could do something about suffering, but he doesn't.
He is an asshole.

Um, no.
That's not how science works.
Through science we can determine that in similar conditions to Earth other planets may host life.
But they very well may not. I feel like there is. But fuck my feelings.

There might be Iron based life forms, but that is a hypothesis.
However god is just an idea. Weaker than a Theory, Weaker than a Hypothesis.

There are plenty of "scientific theories" (google the definition if you know what it really means) out there with no contradictions but there lacks a way to observe it.

However with those theories we can use scientific instruments such as telescopes with a wide spectrum of light detectors to look at the cosmic microwave back ground.
Which btw, could only exist if the big bang had occurred.

And atheism doesn't require science.
It's just that most atheists are smart and can look through god with science.

And no one cares about what you feel personally, the human sense is horrible and science is science.
So far their is nothing that can solve problems better than science.
If there was, god would have provided it and I would have bowed down.

So you admit, the religion of your god (all powerful, knowing, etc.) isn't perfect?

How do you know that god lets you live eternally.
Because the (insert holy book) says so?
Then how do I take it's word?
Because it's god's word?
How do I know it's god's word?
Because the (insert holy book) says so?

If I'm dying, and someone can save me...
But I have to suck his dick and call him cock master, is he not evil in a way?
Why do our actions affect god?
He's all powerful.

But there's multiple allys and multiple people saying their allys are going to kill me.
Which one do I pick.
All the people pointing at them are crazy.
All of them believe in a magical sky daddy(s) or mommy(s).

And if I find that taking the long way is safer and I take that road...
Some of the people will try to kill me for not going in their ally.

So I die either way.
But if I take the street, there's a chance I'll live.

[Czechlervitz30]

The Bible is like a rule book for gang members, and the rule book says to bring in as many members as possible, especially those who can work and bring in more cash and goods. Even a small amount of cash is good. I was born into the catholic gang. My grandfather studied to be a priest, my dad is a deacon to a small community church that was started about ten years ago. My grandmother still goes to the same catholic church she has been going to for decades and she would have loved to have one of her sons be a priest.
I am an atheist now, but it wasn't until I completely ruined my relationship with my family and church members. Gangs keep a good account of their members and ex members. I have rebuilt my relationship with my family, but i won't ever go to church again. I still have church friends basically because those are the only type of people around here.
My point is that church and church membership is no different than gangs and gang membership.

[Lek]

Give me life so I can suffer? I'd rather not exist.
He should be smart enough to create life with only pleasure, or heaven.
Expect everywhere.
He should make his presence known first hand.
Otherwise why should take his word.

He could do something about suffering, but he doesn't.
He is an asshole.

Um, no.
That's not how science works.
Through science we can determine that in similar conditions to Earth other planets may host life.
But they very well may not. I feel like there is. But fuck my feelings.

There might be Iron based life forms, but that is a hypothesis.
However god is just an idea. Weaker than a Theory, Weaker than a Hypothesis.

There are plenty of "scientific theories" (google the definition if you know what it really means) out there with no contradictions but there lacks a way to observe it.

However with those theories we can use scientific instruments such as telescopes with a wide spectrum of light detectors to look at the cosmic microwave back ground.
Which btw, could only exist if the big bang had occurred.

And atheism doesn't require science.
It's just that most atheists are smart and can look through god with science.

And no one cares about what you feel personally, the human sense is horrible and science is science.
So far their is nothing that can solve problems better than science.
If there was, god would have provided it and I would have bowed down.

So you admit, the religion of your god (all powerful, knowing, etc.) isn't perfect?

How do you know that god lets you live eternally.
Because the (insert holy book) says so?
Then how do I take it's word?
Because it's god's word?
How do I know it's god's word?
Because the (insert holy book) says so?

If I'm dying, and someone can save me...
But I have to suck his dick and call him cock master, is he not evil in a way?
Why do our actions affect god?
He's all powerful.

But there's multiple allys and multiple people saying their allys are going to kill me.
Which one do I pick.
All the people pointing at them are crazy.
All of them believe in a magical sky daddy(s) or mommy(s).

And if I find that taking the long way is safer and I take that road...
Some of the people will try to kill me for not going in their ally.

So I die either way.
But if I take the street, there's a chance I'll live.

There you go. You're exercising your free will.

[ScienceAf]

Give me life so I can suffer? I'd rather not exist.
He should be smart enough to create life with only pleasure, or heaven.
Expect everywhere.
He should make his presence known first hand.
Otherwise why should take his word.

He could do something about suffering, but he doesn't.
He is an asshole.

Um, no.
That's not how science works.
Through science we can determine that in similar conditions to Earth other planets may host life.
But they very well may not. I feel like there is. But fuck my feelings.

There might be Iron based life forms, but that is a hypothesis.
However god is just an idea. Weaker than a Theory, Weaker than a Hypothesis.

There are plenty of "scientific theories" (google the definition if you know what it really means) out there with no contradictions but there lacks a way to observe it.

However with those theories we can use scientific instruments such as telescopes with a wide spectrum of light detectors to look at the cosmic microwave back ground.
Which btw, could only exist if the big bang had occurred.

And atheism doesn't require science.
It's just that most atheists are smart and can look through god with science.

And no one cares about what you feel personally, the human sense is horrible and science is science.
So far their is nothing that can solve problems better than science.
If there was, god would have provided it and I would have bowed down.

So you admit, the religion of your god (all powerful, knowing, etc.) isn't perfect?

How do you know that god lets you live eternally.
Because the (insert holy book) says so?
Then how do I take it's word?
Because it's god's word?
How do I know it's god's word?
Because the (insert holy book) says so?

If I'm dying, and someone can save me...
But I have to suck his dick and call him cock master, is he not evil in a way?
Why do our actions affect god?
He's all powerful.

But there's multiple allys and multiple people saying their allys are going to kill me.
Which one do I pick.
All the people pointing at them are crazy.
All of them believe in a magical sky daddy(s) or mommy(s).

And if I find that taking the long way is safer and I take that road...
Some of the people will try to kill me for not going in their ally.

So I die either way.
But if I take the street, there's a chance I'll live.

There you go.  You're exercising your free will.

You ignored everything I said.
Coward.