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May 25, 2011 at 5:39 pm
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(May 25, 2011 at 5:10 pm)bbrettle Wrote: If God KNOWS everything and CHOOSES to create me fully KNOWING im not going to feed the hungry poor people its MY fault? I would say thats not my doing... its His ... but agree to dissagree =) You are going into a much debated area within theology and philosophy of religion.  Perhaps this is the heart of your questions in your first post, and I apologise if I missed it. You want to argue that divine omniscience and human moral responsibility and incompatible - well, you will need to give an argument for why you think that is the case, you can't just assert it. I'm not a particular expert in the area, but I have not seen any strong arguments for your position. The Bible is clear that both are true - that God knows all things, including truths about the future from our perspective (it's important to remember that there is no "future" from God's perspective, who sees everything from outside of time and space) and that humans are morally responsible for both the evil and the good things they do (and so can be both blameworthy and praiseworthy respectively).
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May 25, 2011 at 9:16 pm
hmm, a "strong argument" the fact that an ALL knowing God depends on His SINNFUL creation to do HIS bidding? its more of an observation, and can be used to argue the Twisted nature of the ALL powerful being
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May 26, 2011 at 12:03 am
(May 25, 2011 at 9:16 pm)bbrettle Wrote: hmm, a "strong argument" the fact that an ALL knowing God depends on His SINNFUL creation to do HIS bidding? its more of an observation, and can be used to argue the Twisted nature of the ALL powerful being Where have I said or does the Bible say that God depends on anything?
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RE: AW yes.... Gods love
May 26, 2011 at 12:09 am
Quote:We are all individually and collectively responsible for each other and our world, and that is a responsibility that God has given us.
Ooh.....watch out for the libertarians on this board with that one. They'll beat you savagely about the head and then tell you how god wants the rich to get richer and the poor to get the fuck out of their way.
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May 26, 2011 at 12:19 am
(May 25, 2011 at 5:39 pm)Timothy Wrote: The Bible is clear that both are true - that God knows all things, including truths about the future
This of course is the timeless flaw refuted by christians for thousands of years.
"the Bible is my proof"
no matter how many times it's pointed out to you people - you simply ignore it and keep right on preaching.
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May 26, 2011 at 12:44 am
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(May 26, 2011 at 12:19 am)Cinjin Cain Wrote: (May 25, 2011 at 5:39 pm)Timothy Wrote: The Bible is clear that both are true - that God knows all things, including truths about the future This of course is the timeless flaw refuted by christians for thousands of years.
"the Bible is my proof"
no matter how many times it's pointed out to you people - you simply ignore it and keep right on preaching.
bbrettle is doing an internal critique of Christianity, and I've simply been respondng to his questions with what the Bible teaches to show that they are in no sense unaddressed or problematic given the Christian view. Notice that none of his questions say anything like "What proof do you have that the Bible's view is true?" or "Why should we trust what the Bible says?"
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May 26, 2011 at 2:36 am
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(May 26, 2011 at 12:03 am)Timothy Wrote: (May 25, 2011 at 9:16 pm)bbrettle Wrote: hmm, a "strong argument" the fact that an ALL knowing God depends on His SINNFUL creation to do HIS bidding? its more of an observation, and can be used to argue the Twisted nature of the ALL powerful being Where have I said or does the Bible say that God depends on anything?
we can start with Mark 16:15 Jesus/God depends on mortals to spread his Word
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May 26, 2011 at 3:22 am
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(May 26, 2011 at 2:36 am)bbrettle Wrote: we can start with Mark 16:15 Jesus/God depends on mortals to spread his Word
"He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation."" Mark 16:15
Where exactly does this verse say that God depends on us? It is a command for followers of Jesus to carry out.
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May 26, 2011 at 3:51 am
God is depending on his followers to do his bidding ? it doesnt say the words "depending" its implied
and if he wasnt depending on them he would just do it himself
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RE: AW yes.... Gods love
May 26, 2011 at 5:27 am
(May 26, 2011 at 3:51 am)bbrettle Wrote: God is depending on his followers to do his bidding ? it doesnt say the words "depending" its implied
and if he wasnt depending on them he would just do it himself You are simply reading your own assumptions into the text.
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