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Another apologist with his "clever" questions
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"Leave it to me to find a way to be,
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting, I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder  Quote:......so stop calling such things "logical concepts"...maybe? There's no contradiction in saying logic would be different somewhere else. Unless you're from over there and can't understand my logical language..? Quote:Oh, well, that clears it up. When god gods the gods it gods god. Jesus christ........ Well, I'm trying to understand your rebuttal, but I can't get one? All I get is something akin to a rage quit when I say "God creates", but it's extremely polite and civilised because that's Rhythm  Quote:-and yet not but a moment ago you felt comfortable doing just that. Get your shit together. Proposing different abstract concepts is leagues easier than trying to think up of new organisms with differing modes of thinking. Quote:Maybe god hates bootlickers who do the dishes just because they're told to, out of a desire to please, or because they think it;s the "right" thing to do. You don't know....... and that's why you're unqualified to comment. As long as Kant isn't violated... (lol) "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions
October 26, 2016 at 2:45 am
(This post was last modified: October 26, 2016 at 2:47 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Quote:There's no contradiction in saying logic would be different somewhere else. Unless you're from over there and can't understand my logical language..?Logic wouldn't be logic if it were something different, something other than logic. That's a simple contradiction to identity. You'll need to come up with another word for the system of "x" that you're using to make these statements, because it isn't logical. That;s not to say that thy couldn't be true, for all I know you got it right by accident. It happens. Quote:Well, I'm trying to understand your rebuttal, but I can't get one? All I get is something akin to a rage quit when I say "God creates", but it's extremely polite and civilised because that's RhythmWhen you say "god creates" I simply ask for a demonstration. Until such a time, it's an argument from assertion. No rebuttal required. Quote:Proposing different abstract concepts is leagues easier than trying to think up of new organisms with differing modes of thinking.-but apparently giving them names to match isn't/ OFC, we both know why. You want to -say- that you're being logical, even though you're imagining your own, different, "logic".
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RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions
October 26, 2016 at 2:48 am
(This post was last modified: October 26, 2016 at 3:00 am by Arkilogue.)
(October 26, 2016 at 2:39 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Well, I'm trying to understand your rebuttal, but I can't get one? All I get is something akin to a rage quit when I say "God creates", but it's extremely polite and civilised because that's Rhythm How do you logically marry "God creates" with the 1st law of thermodynamics? (energy cannot be created nor destroyed) Agreed. That's why I focus on the objective aspects of an infinite, extant God...rather than subjective personality.
"Leave it to me to find a way to be,
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting, I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder Quote:Logic wouldn't be logic if it were something different, something other than logic. That;s a simple contradiction to identity. Logic is nothing more than an abstract language. Something coded in iOS is logical, but won't be so on Windows. Quote: Ypou'll need to come up with another word for the systen of "x" that you're using to make these statements, because it isn't logical. Can we call them "Mac" and "PC"? "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
(October 26, 2016 at 2:51 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Logic is nothing more than an abstract language. Something coded in iOS is logical, but won't be so on Windows.Equivocation. Propositional logic and boolean algebra in translation are not the same thing. I mean, unless you can build a machine or a code that can take propositions in natural language and produce truth.  Quote:Can we call them "Mac" and "PC"? Sure, you can call them whatever you like, so long as you cease pretending that they're the same thing.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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Rhythm Wrote:When you say "god creates" I simply ask for a demonstration. Until such a time, it's an argument from assertion. No rebuttal required. What sort of demonstration do you want? What's wrong with philosophical hypotheticals? Thought experiments? That's the idea of discussion, because if you want something physical, then that's not very reasonable. Quote:-but apparently giving them names to match isn't/ OFC, we both know why. You want to -say- that you're being logical, even though you're imagining your own, different, "logic". giving what names? "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
Arkilogue Wrote:ow do you logically marry "God creates" with the 1st law of thermodynamics? (energy cannot be created nor destroyed) God creating a universe doesn't violate any scientific law, since scientific laws live within the yet-to-be-created universe. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
Rhythm Wrote:Equivocation. Propositional logic and boolean algebra in translation are not the same thing. I mean, unless you can build a machine or a code that can take propositions in natural language and produce truth. Of course, my example was meant to be a metaphor for differing logical constructs. Quote:Sure, you can call them whatever you like, so long as you cease pretending that they're the same thing. They're the same thing, in as far as logical paradigms go. Set of logical rules A, set of logical rules B. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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