Trump is waffling on the wall.

[Pat Mustard]

Gee, not gonna lock her up, not gonna build a wall...what's next?  We -won't- be getting concentration camps after all?

He's not going to reduce the corporate tax rate either. Well how can he, when the US rate is an effective 0% for bigger companies?

[abaris]

Not surprised at all. The part that kills me is the idiots who actually thought a fucking wall would stop illegal immigration.

No, it wouldn't. But it wouldn't stop populous politicians demanding it if their electorate bawls loudly enough. We just had that last year. 10 millions wasted on a totally useless fence to fend off refugees. So, an obvious idiocy doesn't say that there aren't idiots in power actually turning it into reality.

[The Grand Nudger]

Gee, not gonna lock her up, not gonna build a wall...what's next?  We -won't- be getting concentration camps after all?

He's not going to reduce the corporate tax rate either. Well how can he, when the US rate is an effective 0% for bigger companies?

/ shrugs.  

Maybe he plans on giving them bonuses based on earnings...out of the taxpayer coffers...like the brilliant businessman he is...and the welfare queens they are? I mean, I leave it up to him. He's the idea man, he has great ideas...the best ideas.

[AceBoogie]

Not surprised at all. The part that kills me is the idiots who actually thought a fucking wall would stop illegal immigration.

No, it wouldn't. But it wouldn't stop populous politicians demanding it if their electorate bawls loudly enough. We just had that last year. 10 millions wasted on a totally useless fence to fend off refugees. So, an obvious idiocy doesn't say that there aren't idiots in power actually turning it into reality.

That's so sad.

LESS GOVERNMENT, LESS FOREIGNERS, MORE FENCE!

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

-and it didn't work for them either, lol.

You know, that's the thing about walls, even as concepts.  People iomagine that dedicated people..say, smugglers or insurgents/invaders/what have you, who want to get something over them see them as an obstacle...they don;t.  The simple presence of a wall indicates to any interested party that this would be a -wonderful- place to breach.  We don't build walls where our presence is the strongest, where our control is the greatest.  The whole point of a wall, if it can be said to have a point, is to cover places where precisely the opposite is true - where other resources are ineffectual, or slim to nonexistent.  Where there is likely to be little, if any, resistance to a breach on the other side.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I wasn't questioning whether Trump Wall would work (and I quite agree that it wouldn't), but whether it would be built at all.

Workability isn't always a factor in government projects.

Boru

[abaris]

Workability isn't always a factor in government projects.

Boru

I would replace workability with value.

[Faith No More]

Not surprised at all. The part that kills me is the idiots who actually thought a fucking wall would stop illegal immigration. If you believe a literal wall could stop illegal immigration, then I have a bridge to sell you. It was interesting to see people stick up for him and his wall idea even as the cost went from, "Very cheap, believe me" to 5 billion, to 10 billion, to 15 to 25...

And this sort of gets at what it is that really bothers me about the Trump supporters... This man actually has all of you fooled into thinking he's different from the other politicians. Hey. I'm not like these other guys. I know you. I know your struggle. I am your voice. Vote for me. Sound familiar? Every. Politician. Ever.

Pretty soon here we'll find out about all the promises he's going to break and keep. I guess time will tell.

We're talking about people that think that a guy that's sits on a golden toilet is a man of the people.  They're not exactly the best and the brightest.

And let's not forget that ~45% of the country believes that the earth is <10,000 years old.  That's fertile ground for a guy like Trump.

[The Grand Nudger]

Sorry if I wasn't clear.  I wasn't questioning whether Trump Wall would work (and I quite agree that it wouldn't), but whether it would be built at all.

 I know, just springboarding off a good comment.  

Workability isn't always a factor in government projects.

Agreed, and certainly not when there's there pork at play.  There;s more money in -not- building the wall we're not building than there would be in actually building it. Had they finished it the last time, how would we justify the checks we'll be writing this time...for the wall that will have materialized at no time?  Whether or not it would work seems like a complete non-issue....but shhh, don't tell that to the trumpsters. Besids, if it we -did- build it and it -did- work...that would be a disaster!!!.....

Who would we blame for our misfortunes if not the mexicans?

[abaris]

We're talking about people that think that a guy that's sits on a golden toilet is a man of the people.  They're not exactly the best and the brightest.

In my opinion there's something wrong with the perception of wealth in the States. It doesn't make you a better or worse person. But the American perception seems to be, dosh equals success, makes you superior. Nothing could be further from the truth. But it's one of the many narratives we Europeans will never understand about America.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Workability isn't always a factor in government projects.

Boru

I would replace workability with value.

I wouldn't. Any massive construction project has inherent value, even if it doesn't work as intended. You could keep workers employed for years, subsidiary jobs would be created (entertainment venues, restaurants, brothels, etc) near the work sites, tax revenues would increase - all of these things have value.

But I take your point: I'd sooner see the labour and capital invested in things like hospitals, homeless shelters, schools and the like - all of which would have more value and workability, any way you figure it.

Boru