Any anti-feminists? Any feminists?

[account_inactive]

Yeah, this argument clearly isn't getting anywhere...

Relax and have a fucking beer or something, it's Saturday for fucks sake.

[Jesster]

If you need me to explain everything to you...

[ScienceAf]

The butthurt is getting stronger in this one

"Nope. Not at all. I don't give a fuck about you. I do give a fuck about correcting your bullshit, though."

[Jesster]

Yeah, this argument clearly isn't getting anywhere...

Relax and have a fucking beer or something, it's Saturday for fucks sake.

Yeah, now I'm just fucking with him. It got old.

[ScienceAf]

Yeah, this argument clearly isn't getting anywhere...

Relax and have a fucking beer or something, it's Saturday for fucks sake.

Yeah, now I'm just fucking with him. It got old.

"Fucking with..." me, does nothing. Besides "dislodge" yourself.

[Jesster]

Your tears are delicious.

[ScienceAf]

Your tears are delicious.

(Insert Navy Seals Copypasta Here)

[Jesster]

Sounds like more whining. Reply again. I'm enjoying it.

[Athene]

I believe that women should be entitled to the same legal, political, economic, and personal rights that men are entitled to.

They are.
I don't call myself "abolitionist" because I believe black people shouldn't be slaves.
Because they aren't
The abolitionist movement and the feminist movement have achieved their goals.

They are, everywhere ? In practice?
All of the time?

Do rights not need to be ensured? Maintained?

Btw--Before you determine that you don't call yourself an abolitionist, you may want to look up the definition(s) of the word, and THEN consider the fact that slavery does indeed exist as an institution, in the contemporary world. Have you ever heard of human trafficking, "kid"?

My gawd.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Hey, could you find me the spot in the Constitution where everyone has the right to equal pay for equal work?

You can't find it, because it's not in there. But is certainly one inequality that feminism helped to ameliorate -- although it still exists, particularly with regard to race.


You seem to think I'm arguing that words are meaningless, I'm not. It's important to have rights enumerated legally. But that doesn't guarantee rights in practice.

I'm pretty sure, by the way, that the majority of Americans agreed with both Jim Crow and interning Japanese in the camps.


Yeah, that's kinda the point, you know. Equal rights, not different. You're mounting a pretty incoherent argument here: feminism is obsolete because women have different rights than men. Equal rights means that all people share the same panoply of rights regardless of race, gender, sexuality, religion or lack thereof, etc.


Why are you introducing this into this conversation? It's entirely irrelevant.


No one said the majority sees them any way at all.


Leaving aside the fact that I didn't say "words on paper have no meaning", the fact is that if your good treatment is dependent upon majority opinion, that is not a right at all.

1) Sure, it's not in the constitution, but when we needed feminism it helped (along with other movements) lead to the "Civil rights act of 1964". And of course not everyone deserves equal pay. There's qualifications to be met.

2) I meant that the majority didn't and after a while through protests, movements, etc, they came to a change in mind.

3) I'm saying if the claim was true then the rights would have been different rather than less. But we have equal rights.

4) Forgot why.

5) Exactly

6) Well there is no objective opinion and the majority can not always be justified, however the majority sees women as equal and the majority/gov't holds the power.

P.S
What's your definition of equality?
What rights do men have that women don't?

I'm on my.phone right now. I'll answer this post when I'm home on my laptop.