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How Much Evidence Will It Take You To Believe In God???
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(November 13, 2016 at 1:18 pm)Edward John Wrote:(November 13, 2016 at 1:12 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Any evidence at all would be a start, it's your claim so you need to provide evidence to support it It you can provide some convincing, testable evidence of a god then everyone in the world will be interested in it.
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.
Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it! RE: How Much Evidence Will It Take You To Believe In God???
November 13, 2016 at 1:26 pm
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(November 13, 2016 at 1:16 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote:(November 13, 2016 at 1:04 pm)Edward John Wrote: Jesus(God) (Matthew 5:44) We Catholics have another thing Called the catechism it interprets the Bible. CCC446 In the Greek translation of the Old Testament, the ineffable Hebrew name YHWH, by which God revealed himself to Moses,59 is rendered as Kyrios, "Lord". From then on, "Lord" becomes the more usual name by which to indicate the divinity of Israel's God. The New Testament uses this full sense of the title "Lord" both for the Father and - what is new - for Jesus, who is thereby recognized as God Himself.60 CCC447 Jesus ascribes this title to himself in a veiled way when he disputes with the Pharisees about the meaning of Psalm 110, but also in an explicit way when he addresses his apostles.61 Throughout his public life, he demonstrated his divine sovereignty by works of power over nature, illnesses, demons, death and sin. CCC448 Very often in the Gospels people address Jesus as "Lord". This title testifies to the respect and trust of those who approach him for help and healing.62 At the prompting of the Holy Spirit, "Lord" expresses the recognition of the divine mystery of Jesus.63 In the encounter with the risen Jesus, this title becomes adoration: "My Lord and my God!" It thus takes on a connotation of love and affection that remains proper to the Christian tradition: "It is the Lord!"64 CCC449 By attributing to Jesus the divine title "Lord", the first confessions of the Church's faith affirm from the beginning that the power, honor and glory due to God the Father are due also to Jesus, because "he was in the form of God",65 and the Father manifested the sovereignty of Jesus by raising him from the dead and exalting him into his glory.66 CCC450 From the beginning of Christian history, the assertion of Christ's lordship over the world and over history has implicitly recognized that man should not submit his personal freedom in an absolute manner to any earthly power, but only to God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Caesar is not "the Lord".67 "The Church. . . believes that the key, the center and the purpose of the whole of man's history is to be found in its Lord and Master."68 CCC451 Christian prayer is characterized by the title "Lord", whether in the invitation to prayer ("The Lord be with you"), its conclusion ("through Christ our Lord") or the exclamation full of trust and hope: Maran atha ("Our Lord, come!") or Marana tha ("Come, Lord!") - "Amen Come Lord Jesus!"69 (November 13, 2016 at 1:07 pm)Edward John Wrote:(November 13, 2016 at 1:03 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: This is so old and tired but OK, show me your evidence Eddy Baby. Not argument, not debate, not philosophy, not crusty old stories from antiquity. Evidence. Any that is "Not argument, not debate, not philosophy, not crusty old stories from antiquity". Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Doing the PGJ thing is not helping your cause.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
If God exists in our mind only and is the greatest possible being and object which no greater being and object can be thought of then God by definition is greater than our minds, Therefore God must exist. The ontological argument shows that if God even possibly exists then God actually exists. Which means God is existence itself.
(November 13, 2016 at 9:26 am)Whateverist Wrote: All you got to do is produce one god - just one - and I personally will concede the matter to you Assuming this did happen, then how would we know that this life-form isn't just a more evolved and different life-form? If it conformed to humanity's preconceptions of what constitutes a god, then how would we know that it isn't just showing us what we want to see? Would humanity accept such a life-form without a god label? (November 13, 2016 at 1:32 pm)Edward John Wrote: If God exists in our mind only and is the greatest possible being and object which no greater being and object can be thought of then God by definition is greater than our minds, Therefore God must exist. The ontological argument shows that if God even possibly exists then God actually exists. Which means God is existence itself. If god exists.... what if god doesn't exist? This kind of statement does not provide any testable evidence If I saw some convincing evidence then I would covert in a second, I would have to, that's what convincing means. I have not seen any evidence in 62 years but maybe you can provide some evidence that can have no other possible explanation.
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.
Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it! (November 13, 2016 at 12:59 pm)Edward John Wrote: Which God can easily be answered, by a little bit of research on the different religion. There is no perfect God as the Christian God. The Christian God is as imperfect as they come. And either a liar or a fraud or non-existent.
The whole tone of Church teaching in regard to woman is, to the last degree, contemptuous and degrading. - Elizabeth Cady Stanton
(November 13, 2016 at 1:32 pm)Edward John Wrote: If God exists in our mind only and is the greatest possible being and object which no greater being and object can be thought of then God by definition is greater than our minds, Therefore God must exist. The ontological argument shows that if God even possibly exists then God actually exists. Which means God is existence itself. If God exists in our mind only, then God shares equal credibility and evidence as the Tooth Fairy, vampires, werewolves, unicorns, and Harry Potter.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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