Catholics VS Protestants Debate Thread

[pocaracas]

Because Sola scriptura is taught nowhere in the Bible its unbiblical and above all, The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Did Not Exist Prior to the 14th Century. So up to the 1400 every christian submited to the authority of the Catholic Church.

^^^
He's right, you know?

(I never thought I'd say this about this Edward John guy...)

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If you Choose to worship, follow or seek the God of the bible then by default it is the bible that can be you only guide.

In that Bible of yours, how do they refer to that god?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's often the God of Abraham (& Company™ ).

So, why not follow in the tradition taught by the bible you wish to follow?

[Angrboda]

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

2 Timothy 3:16 NASB

[Angrboda]

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[Edwardo Piet]

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[Crossless2.0]

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

2 Timothy 3:16 NASB

Well, that's the verse that believers typically trot out to justify Sola Scriptura, but it raises the question of what exactly the author of 2 Timothy had in mind. There was no "Bible" when that was written. How can we know what the author considered inspired Scripture? I doubt he was thinking, "This will all get hashed out in due course and decided on by a vote. Then they'll know."

[vorlon13]

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

2 Timothy 3:16 NASB

Well, that's the verse that believers typically trot out to justify Sola Scriptura, but it raises the question of what exactly the author of 2 Timothy had in mind. There was no "Bible" when that was written. How can we know what the author considered inspired Scripture? I doubt he was thinking, "This will all get hashed out in due course and decided on by a vote. Then they'll know."

Well, the 'author' of 2 Timothy 3:16 is Almighty God so it devolves to His omnipotence and that takes care of the objection.

Besides, I find 2Tim316 extraordinarily useful in other regards.  I use it here more than the Christers do.  To their everlasting horror.

[Crossless2.0]

Besides, I find 2Tim316 extraordinarily useful in other regards.  I use it here more than the Christers do.  To their everlasting horror.

I know what you mean, but Paul gave them the Get-Out-of-the-Law-Free card so they can disregard whichever parts of Torah they find inconvenient. The 'good' stuff? They're happy to quote it and consider it inspired. The more embarrassing stuff? Well, we're not Orthodox Jews. Doesn't apply!

<Imagines what Christianity might have been if James the Just had publicly bitch-slapped the hell out of Saul/Paul in front of a jeering crowd>

[vorlon13]

But Jesus fucked Paul's heresy with His I came to fulfill the law remark.

[snicker, that damn Jesus opening His mouth again and fucking things up for his spokesmen]

[vorlon13]

It's just too bad Jesus never learned to shut the fuck up, and fall in line behind his followers. You would think he could have figured that out.

[Crossless2.0]

But Jesus fucked Paul's heresy with His I came to fulfill the law remark.  

Maybe he did; maybe he didn't. It doesn't really matter. Paul's self-chosen audience didn't give a flying fuck about the Law, except to see it as a barrier to participation in a movement toward which they were otherwise sympathetic.

Paul -- that enterprising 'Pharisee' -- was only too happy to slip the shackles of something he found burdensome and to sell it to the Gentiles.