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Traddy Catholics on the ropes?
July 17, 2021 at 9:13 am
Pope Francis, of course, placed stricter restrictions on the Traditional Mass, the Tridentine Mass that was codified by the Council of Trent. It is clear that Francis & Friends wants that form of worship to disappear, the sooner, the better. But, hey, it's all make-believe anyway, and so, you Traditional Catholics, why not go into "schism" and elect your own Pope?? It's happened before and Catholic theology, being a constant work-in-progress for the last 1500+ years, some theologian somewhere can make it all at least sound "believable." Getting your own Pope will mean, finally, separating your bank accounts from theirs, once and for all.
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RE: Traddy Catholics on the ropes?
July 17, 2021 at 9:22 am
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A splinter group not having access to the financial side of orthodoxy is one of the main reasons that they -don’t- schism. It took the rcc years ( as in more than 1k of them) to consolidate the accounts and neutralize the threat of administrative or donor control in the institution.
It’s a business, it’s always been a business, and business is still good.
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RE: Traddy Catholics on the ropes?
July 17, 2021 at 10:05 am
New religions start all the time. Fifteen or so years ago the Catholic Diocese of Atlanta had one of their lawyers send a vague letter to a traditional Catholic group in the area over the latters' use of the word "Catholic". The letter did not even rise to the level of being a legal DOA; I have always wondered if the lawyer in question was not disbarred.
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And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: Traddy Catholics on the ropes?
July 17, 2021 at 10:46 am
(July 17, 2021 at 9:13 am)Jehanne Wrote: Pope Francis, of course, placed stricter restrictions on the Traditional Mass, the Tridentine Mass that was codified by the Council of Trent. It is clear that Francis & Friends wants that form of worship to disappear, the sooner, the better. But, hey, it's all make-believe anyway, and so, you Traditional Catholics, why not go into "schism" and elect your own Pope?? It's happened before and Catholic theology, being a constant work-in-progress for the last 1500+ years, some theologian somewhere can make it all at least sound "believable." Getting your own Pope will mean, finally, separating your bank accounts from theirs, once and for all.
Traditionally (meaning with a very few exceptions), Catholics don’t schism. The seeming liberality of Francis is an outlier, and - at 84 - he’s not long for this world. For all their screeching, traditionally-minded Catholics are perfectly happy to wait for the next pontiff to put things right.
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RE: Traddy Catholics on the ropes?
July 17, 2021 at 11:05 am
(July 17, 2021 at 10:05 am)Jehanne Wrote: New religions start all the time. Fifteen or so years ago the Catholic Diocese of Atlanta had one of their lawyers send a vague letter to a traditional Catholic group in the area over the latters' use of the word "Catholic". The letter did not even rise to the level of being a legal DOA; I have always wondered if the lawyer in question was not disbarred.
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Yes, but how many catch on? There's already multiple sedevacantist groups in America alone, and, as far as I can tell, the most popular one worldwide has a couple thousands. For a splinter group to make any real headway, there'd have to be some sort of unity in who the new antipope is going to be so it doesn't ends in a divide and conquer situation. And, hell, even in places where one group holds a monopoly, like the Society of St. Pius X in France, there's only about 1100 members. Admittedly, this only counts the priests, seminarians, and others that I think counts monks, nuns, and lay brothers and sisters, but, in France, they have 200 buildings, as opposed to 45,000 from the mainstream church in the entire nation.
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RE: Traddy Catholics on the ropes?
July 17, 2021 at 11:18 am
A splinter group doesn’t need numbers of adherents to survive. They need money
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RE: Traddy Catholics on the ropes?
July 17, 2021 at 2:04 pm
This Splinter group only needed skills.
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RE: Traddy Catholics on the ropes?
July 17, 2021 at 2:15 pm
(July 17, 2021 at 11:18 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: A splinter group doesn’t need numbers of adherents to survive. They need money
True, but just because a group survives doesn’t mean it’s going to gain any meaningful degree of influence outside of its adherents.
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RE: Traddy Catholics on the ropes?
July 17, 2021 at 5:30 pm
That’s exactly what it means
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RE: Traddy Catholics on the ropes?
July 17, 2021 at 10:40 pm
(July 17, 2021 at 5:30 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That’s exactly what it means
So the many sedevacantist sects with their own pope actually do have a meaningful influence outside their own small number of adherents?
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