Catholics warring against the Pope?

[Fake Messiah]

Oh no! The pope said some time ago that divorced people can eat Jesus and that, apparently, gays are not so bad which left Catholics very pissed off especially the clergy that even plan to dethrone him and even "divide the Church":

This summer, one prominent English priest said to me: “We can’t wait for him to die. It’s unprintable what we say in private. Whenever two priests meet, they talk about how awful Bergoglio is … he’s like Caligula: if he had a horse, he’d make him cardinal.” Of course, after 10 minutes of fluent complaint, he added: “You mustn’t print any of this, or I’ll be sacked.”

To judge by the voting figures at the last worldwide meeting of bishops, almost a quarter of the college of Cardinals – the most senior clergy in the church – believe that the pope is flirting with heresy.

Last year, one cardinal, backed by a few retired colleagues, raised the possibility of a formal declaration of heresy – the wilful rejection of an established doctrine of the church, a sin punishable by excommunication. Last month, 62 disaffected Catholics, including one retired bishop and a former head of the Vatican bank, published an open letter that accused Francis of seven specific counts of heretical teaching.

To accuse a sitting pope of heresy is the nuclear option in Catholic arguments. Doctrine holds that the pope cannot be wrong when he speaks on the central questions of the faith; so if he is wrong, he can’t be pope. On the other hand, if this pope is right, all his predecessors must have been wrong.

The present crisis is the most serious since the liberal reforms of the 1960s spurred a splinter group of hardline conservatives to break away from the church.

(Their leader, the French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, was later excommunicated.) Over the past few years, conservative writers have repeatedly raised the spectre of schism. In 2015, American journalist Ross Douthat, a convert to Catholicism, wrote a piece for the Atlantic magazine headlined Will Pope Francis Break the Church?; a Spectator blogpost by the English traditionalist Damian Thompson threatened that “Pope Francis is now at war with the Vatican. If he wins, the church could fall apart.” The pope’s views on divorce and homosexuality, according to an Archbishop from Kazakhstan, had allowed “the smoke of Satan” to enter the church.

The Catholic church has spent much of the past century fighting against the sexual revolution, much as it fought against the democratic revolutions of the 19th century, and in this struggle it has been forced into the defence of an untenable absolutist position, whereby all artificial contraception is banned, along with all sex outside one lifelong marriage. As Francis recognises, that’s not how people actually behave. The clergy know this, but are expected to pretend they don’t. The official teaching may not be questioned, but neither can it be obeyed. Something has to give, and when it does, the resulting explosion could fracture the church.

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[DLJ]

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"divide the Church":

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Something has to give, and when it does, the resulting explosion could fracture the church.

They say that like it's a bad thing.

I say it's a great way to celebrate the 500th anniversary of the division of the church.

[brewer]

Meh, so we end up with catholic and catholic lite, don't care. 

Aren't  most of the US parishioners catholic lite in practise anyway? The one I'm married to is.

[vorlon13]

Pedophilia will still be OK in both Catholic churches won't it ??

[vorlon13]

I think the Pope has been hanging around too many Protestants lately and he's picked up some funny ideas . . . .

[brewer]

Pedophilia will still be OK in both Catholic churches won't it ??

One might be allowed to advertise to correct falling numbers.

[Joods]

Meh, so we end up with catholic and catholic lite, don't care. 

Aren't  most of the US parishioners catholic lite in practise anyway? The one I'm married to is.

Catholic lite are what we call Episcopalians. Catholics with half the calories.

[Aroura]

This has been the norm for the RCC for all of modern history. Society changes, the RCC is forced to change with it to stay in the game, the hard core people are disgruntled but eventually grow old and die off. Rinse and repeat endlessly and that is why the RCC today (and those who call themselves Catholic) wouldn't have a thing in common with a Catholic from say, the year 1750.

Immutable word of God. ROFLMO

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Oh yeah, or they make up so much shit that people get pissed off enough to just break off and form a new more "pure" religion, ala Protestants.

[brewer]

This has been the norm for the RCC for all of modern history.  Society changes, the RCC is forced to change with it to stay in the game, the hard core people are disgruntled but eventually grow old and die off.  Rinse and repeat endlessly and that is why the RCC today (and those who call themselves Catholic) wouldn't have a thing in common with a Catholic from say, the year 1750.  

Immutable word of God.  ROFLMO

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Oh yeah, or they make up so much shit that people get pissed off enough to just break off and form a new more "pure" religion, ala Protestants.

Well now you're just being a heretic. Where did I put the comfy chair?

[Cyberman]

This has been the norm for the RCC for all of modern history. Society changes, the RCC is forced to change with it to stay in the game, the hard core people are disgruntled but eventually grow old and die off. Rinse and repeat endlessly and that is why the RCC today (and those who call themselves Catholic) wouldn't have a thing in common with a Catholic from say, the year 1750.

Immutable word of God. ROFLMO

Well, it only took them three hundred and fifty years to pardon Galileo. They're slowly moving into the eighteenth century.