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RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 17, 2016 at 10:52 am
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2016 at 10:53 am by Edwardo Piet.)
Is it fun that I'm starting to wittingly but unintentionally enjoy wittingly but unintentionally annoying you as much as you enjoy throwing insults at me? 
Okay I admit it: I'm sure I have even more fun than you do when I'm in this kind of mood 
At my happiest I've never met anyone who can encounter me and confidently say they're happier than me with a straight face
Pity that sometimes I am a miserable bastard. If only I could stay on a high! Reality sucks 
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RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 17, 2016 at 10:53 am
Well I'm glad that someones having fun, lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 17, 2016 at 10:55 am
It's fun to know why and how one is right.
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RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 17, 2016 at 10:56 am
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Well, I don't think you're making much progress there. You'd have to get your dick out of your own way, lol. 
Swinging that piece around insisting that the universe must obey, it......-must-....-obey-.
Yeah, no. 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 17, 2016 at 10:59 am
(November 17, 2016 at 12:22 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Without sentience one can't experience reality. Sentience is necessary for experientiality, conceptualization isn't.
But sure, for sake of argument, I'll grant you your premise that conceptualization is necessary to experience reality.
Experience isn't necessary for reality. Only for experienced reality.
Experienced reality is the only kind there is, Ham. To talk of any other kind is utterly meaningless.
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RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 17, 2016 at 11:01 am
...If there were nobody around to experience the universe, the universe would still exist, EP. Just like it did for the billions of years before sentient life evolved.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
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RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 17, 2016 at 11:03 am
(November 17, 2016 at 10:59 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: Experienced reality is the only kind there is, Ham.
Prove it.
Quote: To talk of any other kind is utterly meaningless.
Irrelevant.
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RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 17, 2016 at 11:05 am
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(November 17, 2016 at 10:56 am)Rhythm Wrote: Well, I don't think you're making much progress there. You'd have to get your dick out of your own way, lol.
Swinging that piece around insisting that the universe must obey, it......-must-....-obey-.
Yeah, no.
It must. I'll get my dick out of my way when you stop claiming that it can exist without being my dick whilst you incorrectly think that you're not claiming that (my dick being my dick= A=A and the sum of two and two being the sum of two and two, in this dick metaphor, btw).
Thanks for talking about my dick by the way. It's much more fun than you being the epitome of one
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RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 17, 2016 at 11:19 am
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There's nothing more for me to say than what I've already said. You have a fundamental mis-appraisal of what reason is, of what those laws are. They are not a proscriptive force that determines outcomes, what can be, or what is. Things that run afoul of logical laws (and particularly just as you know them...think about that for a minute...you wouldn;t be the first person to think you knew those rules, and been wrong - it took us time to get the system where it is) may be incoherent, even incomprehensible, but that doesn't mean that they don't or can't exist. It simply means that we can't rationally infer their existence by reference to these rules. That accepting the existence of such things is irrational, regardless of whether or not it's true.
I think they're the best rules we have. I assume you do as well, but I'm not going to inflate them to mythical proportions on account of it. I;m not going to make claims about reason or logic that can;t even be -rationally- justified.
The universe must adhere to logical laws...if the universe is to be comprehensible, coherent, specifically by reference to that standard....but not -to be-. The power of reason is in arranging our knowledge, not in arranging our universe.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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