Gender Roles

[mlmooney89]

I think men and women are the same.  I think it just depends on the person.

People say men and women are different purely to justify promiscuity and cheating in men. 

Evolutionary psychology says that men evolved to seek a variety of fertile, young, attractive women for sex.  Fine.

Then women evolved to seek one wealthy, older, protective alpha male!!

But now if a woman seeks that out, she's accused of being a "gold digger" or a "sugar baby."

Women have been shamed out of their natural role.

At best, they have to use tame words like "secure," "financially stable," or even just "ambitious."  At worst, they can't be remotely shallow or logistical and have to just love the person on the inside.

Meanwhile men can still use loaded words like "beautiful" or "gorgeous."  They can be complete dogs (not saying all men are, just that they're allowed to be).  They can say "no fatties" but you can't say "no losers" otherwise, people will say "who are you to call anyone a loser?"

So we should rise above evolution then and just split everything down the middle.  50-50.  Both be breadwinners.  Women learn to protect themselves.  And let women have a variety of sexual partners and still be marriage material.

I'm not with it completely today so if my thoughts run together or are muddled I apologize.

I agree that we should be more equal in society such as both being the breadwinner or having a stay at home dad instead of mom. Both genders should get to pick what they want to do and there should be no pretty little boxes each gender fits into. I also agree that biologically a good portion of the population has instincts to follow their gender role. I like older guys that can pay their bills and I would love to be a stay at home mom but that is because I want to not because I feel obligated to and I am not considered a gold digger. That term is reserved for women going after rich men not guys that can pay their bills (which is what I think most women want, they do want stability) Being a gold digger is not the same and we have every right to judge women for being shallow for only wanting money. That isn't biological at all that is greed. I also think our society, at least in my part of the world, is moving closer and closer to a more balanced gendered roles world. We do have more to learn and grow though.

I don't agree that men are allowed to cheat. No one gives them clearance to cheat they are given the clearance to sleep around if not steady with someone. I've seen more and more women opening up about sleeping around just like guys so from what I can see society is accepting this better but I know that where I live doesn't account for the whole country nor the world in general. Women are far more repressed in other countries where these issues are far more relevant.

Also I'm not sure how using beautiful or gorgeous are dog terms. I use them for both genders and I mean them honestly. Not everyone can be stunning. We are allowed to point out the beautiful ones. Sure men get reprimanded for saying no fatties but girls get knocked for saying no geeks, girlie, fatties, etc. Both genders create unfair stipulations and both are criticized for it. It's a little unfair to say that only guys are saying 'no fatties'. Who is 'allowing ' this? It may be because I am friends with gentlemen but none of my guy friends would treat women like that and they would find any guy that did just as disgusting as I would.

[vorlon13]

Vor do you ever think any woman is hot?

Not sexually.  And I have a particular horror of hairy women.  I do tend to notice that, erf.

I sometimes concur with the majority as to a celebrity female being quite attractive, and I've also noticed some women that are highly acclaimed in that regard I find to be deformed.

Paris Hilton springs to mind.

I have noticed the few gay friends of mine that have been married to women, the women are almost invariably, well, to be polite, well, I can't be polite, hideous.  But considering my wacky tastes in this regard, we can't rule out their being in the 'normal' range to everyone else.
 
And note, I live in a deeply rural backwater, and the demographics are strongly skewed away from the 'pretty young things'  so popular in the media.  I'm pretty sure any woman around here graduating from high school that is considered to be a 'looker' ain't going to hang around.

I am surprised that there are always a few drop dead handsome porn star quality farm boys running around with absolutely NO CLUE as to their gift.  One in particular I just shake my head at is hooked up with a much older woman who would give Helen Thomas a run for her money in any kind of anti-beauty contest that might be held. 

They do seem genuinely taken with each other, and I've never heard anyone else comment anything about them being a reverse Billy Joel/Christie Brinkley couple.  I run into her more than him, I find myself staring, trying to figure out what made her stand out from the herd her hunky stud hubby clearly had to choose from. 

No accounting for attraction, is there?

[robvalue]

Yeah, let's tell evolution to fuck off and just have one tit and half a cock each.

[Jesster]

There are definitely differences between men and women. That doesn't make one better than the other, of course. We're all still human.

[brewer]

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[drfuzzy]

Oh, and perfume?  Ladies, don't bother, you're still invisible and unsmellable to me, particularly if there are any men around.

Now, do women like the smell of perfume on other women ??

But there is a lot to be said for the scent of a woman.  Hoo ah!

https://youtu.be/xLw73qBUMYw

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Vor do you ever think any woman is hot?

I fear he was born hot-blind.

I couldn't find the study I was thinking about - - the one that had men and women wear white sweatshirts while working out, packed the shirts in glass jars, and had both straight and gay people record responses to the odor.  The results were clear:  Gay males always chose the shirts worn by males, lesbians chose the females, and predictable for the straights.
Here is a similar study though: Lesbians respond differently to human pheromones

I'm the female version of Vor.  I do not find any human male attractive.  The smell of male sweat literally makes me gag.  I rarely had any negative reaction to "sweaty female" though.

[vorlon13]

First one needs some icing . . .

[vorlon13]

When they're sweaty, my cousins (and in the past Uncles and such) NEVER had the classic 'sweaty man' smell to me when they were working. Not even close. It's a chemical odor, I can't really describe, but it's unlike the smell of sweat on unrelated males. It is a profoundly different smell, and I'm quite sensitive to it.

There must be some kind of pheromone over ride thing, and it is peculiar to me. No one has ever mentioned any of my relatives smell funny, or more correctly, completely differently from other sweaty men.

Curiously to me, I smell like everyone else, not my relatives, when I'm working hard and get sweaty.

There was a guy in Wisconsin that while he did not smell like a relative of mine, I nevertheless could not be close to him. It was as unpleasant as my relatives, but a totally different note. It was more like grain or peanuts or almond in character, which is odd, those things don't gross me out, but on Timmy, it was incompatible.

He was a nice guy, and certainly handsome enough, just couldn't stand to be near him, and it was upsetting, he had the hots for me.


Don't ask me about sweaty women. I avoid them at all costs, don't wanna know, don't wanna think about it, ICK ICK ICK !

[Whateverist]

But there is a lot to be said for the scent of a woman.  Hoo ah!

https://youtu.be/xLw73qBUMYw

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I fear he was born hot-blind.

I couldn't find the study I was thinking about - - the one that had men and women wear white sweatshirts while working out, packed the shirts in glass jars, and had both straight and gay people record responses to the odor.  The results were clear:  Gay males always chose the shirts worn by males, lesbians chose the females, and predictable for the straights.
Here is a similar study though: Lesbians respond differently to human pheromones

I'm the female version of Vor.  I do not find any human male attractive.  The smell of male sweat literally makes me gag.  I rarely had any negative reaction to "sweaty female" though.

I may have seen something like that before.  Doesn't surprise me either.  Smell is so basic and hardwired.  I won't say no female smell repulses me, there are infections which can make me detour.  But normally and over a reasonably wide sample size I have liked the smell of every woman I've been with except one.  (She smoked and suffered from ashtray pussy.)

[vorlon13]

But there is a lot to be said for the scent of a woman.  Hoo ah!

https://youtu.be/xLw73qBUMYw

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I fear he was born hot-blind.

I couldn't find the study I was thinking about - - the one that had men and women wear white sweatshirts while working out, packed the shirts in glass jars, and had both straight and gay people record responses to the odor.  The results were clear:  Gay males always chose the shirts worn by males, lesbians chose the females, and predictable for the straights.
Here is a similar study though: Lesbians respond differently to human pheromones

I'm the female version of Vor.  I do not find any human male attractive.  The smell of male sweat literally makes me gag.  I rarely had any negative reaction to "sweaty female" though.

Wow.  As far as you know, ALL sweaty men smell alike to you ?


It is amazing to me how different my male relatives smell compared to all other men.