4 Arrested In FB Video Torturing Of A Mentally Challenged Man

[Napoléon]

You are not willing to get your hands dirty to solve these matters

Do elaborate, what are you saying I could do to solve 'these matters'?

[paulpablo]

Portugal must have incredibly low levels of violence if this shocked the nation.  This looks like something you might see on a standard friday or saturday night around nightclubs in the UK.

What isn't something you'd normally see is someone being kidnapped, tied up, partially scalped, forced to drink toilet water then forced to say they love black people while having people around them saying fuck white people.

The attackers assigned race into their violent act.  They surrounded a mentally disabled man and shouted fucked white people.  Reporting on them doing that isn't assigning race into the problem.

Yes, the crime on the OP is much more grievous and instead of, in face of this violence, some prefer to go for political angles, instead of understanding and dealing with that. You know, mindless copypasta.

They should be punished and that is up to their court system. They are adults and made aware of their actions.

Yeh but you're comparing what looks like horrible school yard bullying with seemingly no direct racial intent and a group of black people kidnapping a disabled white person and shouting fuck white people while torturing him for hours.  And you're complaining about race being assigned into this violent act.
The attackers brought race into the act by shouting fuck white people while they tortured the person and some people are talking about it and saying that was a horrible racist act of violence.
It's not like this was a black person slapping a white person around the back of the head and a few right wingers are trying to say the black person is a racist.  They were surrounding him shouting fuck white people and forcing him to say black people are great.  Of course race is going to be brought into the conversation, only an idiot or an SJW would avoid talking about the racial aspect of the crime.

[Napoléon]

Of course race is going to be brought into the conversation, only an idiot or an SJW would avoid talking about the racial aspect of the crime.

What makes people bring up the race aspect more is when comparisons are made with crimes that are nothing to do with race (just like LP did). It does nothing but downplay the fact this is a racially motivated crime and it's the whole reason 'right wingers' keep throwing it out there that it is indeed a racist crime. Y'see, when these crimes are committed and it's the other way round, different behaviour is displayed when people talk about it, generally. No one would be saying it's the same as any other crime. We'd all be banging on about how heinous it is due to the fact it's a racist attack. What I've seen in this thread (and do correct me if I'm wrong), is a few people simply suggesting that this crime is the exact same as any other kidnapping/torture crime. Completely ignoring the political and racial motivations, or at the very least trying to downplay them.

That rustles my jimmies.

In no other instance would I expect people to say the motivations don't matter or are irrelevant. When someone flies a plane into a skyscraper we don't go 'motivations don't matter tho' do we?

I appreciate that people will say "stop making a political point" over it. I don't think anyone is, pointing out the double standard isn't using this horrific incident as a political tool. It's just being real about it.

[Thumpalumpacus]

But don't know defying the right automatically makes a SJW (a term that is so overused it lost all meaning ) so I wonder if the makes me a Anti Anti SJW

No, I don't think it's lost its meaning. I do think A Theist is really harming his credibility by slinging the accusation around when it's clear no one here is behaving in that manner.

[A Theist]

Yes. Clearly racially motivated. But I would think his mental disability just made him an easier target for the attack, imo, that is.

I'm sure we'll know for sure when the investigation is complete. As I said before, words don't make a hate crime; motivations do. Just because they didn't say "fuck disabled people" doesn't mean they weren't motivated by the fact the guy was disabled. These people were clearly motivated by multiple things since they mentioned Trump in their attack too.

The racist remarks they made in the video tape was pretty damning, (I'm assuming you watched it?). Unless there's some kind of plea bargain made you just know that the prosecutors in the case are going to be all over those remarks. They convicted themselves. There's no way around it. The attackers were motivated by racism, and the other multiple things you mentioned all led back to the guy being white, in addition to his disability making him an easier target.  Yeah, they mentioned Donald Trump. But in their view, and there's blame to be shared by the democrats and the leftwing media for this, they were indoctrinated to believe that whites who voted for Trump are racists. The left has long been making that case against whites while either downplaying or completely ignoring that racism is also rampant among blacks. That's clearly evident in some of the other threads I was reading through this morning. There were not a few comments made that said if a person voted for Trump or a Republican, or if a person in Britain voted for Brexit, they were racist. Those four attackers were conditioned from their youth to be racists.

[Catholic_Lady]

Give me a hint because I really am too tired to go wading through this pile of racist shit looking for it.

Who is being racist?

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Can we all please just agree that 4 black men kidnapping a white disabled teenager, forcing him to drink toilet water, beating him, dragging him around by his neck, and cutting off pieces of his scalp all while screaming "Fuck white people", is clearly a racist hate crime?

If so, then there is really nothing else to argue about. However, if you say "no" and I know that you are someone who is quick to call out "racism" when the victims are anything other than white, then I will point out the double standard.

That's all.

[A Theist]

But don't know defying the right automatically makes a SJW (a term that is so overused it lost all meaning ) so I wonder if the makes me a Anti Anti SJW

No, I don't think it's lost its meaning. I do think A Theist is really harming his credibility by slinging the accusation around when it's clear no one here is behaving in that manner.

What a whiny ass! Damn! I'll lose sleep over this one! I have no credibility with the Thump! Well, the double standards that you and your left leaning buddies hold to regarding racism doesn't give you much credibility either.

[Catholic_Lady]

But don't know defying the right automatically makes a SJW (a term that is so overused it lost all meaning ) so I wonder if the makes me a Anti Anti SJW

No, I don't think it's lost its meaning. I do think A Theist is really harming his credibility by slinging the accusation around when it's clear no one here is behaving in that manner.

No one is saying what the 4 guys did was good. But I do notice that a couple ppl (not naming names unless I need to) seem to be hesitant to refer to is as a racist hate crime. I called one of them out specifically earlier on in the thread. 

If these same people were this slow to call "racism" when things were done to minorities, I wouldn't be thinking anything of it. Because it would be consistent. But the thing is, they're not. Not at all. So to deny there is a double standard among some folks here is disingenuous.

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I'm sure we'll know for sure when the investigation is complete. As I said before, words don't make a hate crime; motivations do. Just because they didn't say "fuck disabled people" doesn't mean they weren't motivated by the fact the guy was disabled. These people were clearly motivated by multiple things since they mentioned Trump in their attack too.

The racist remarks they made in the video tape was pretty damning, (I'm assuming you watched it?). Unless there's some kind of plea bargain made you just know that the prosecutors in the case are going to be all over those remarks. They convicted themselves. There's no way around it. The attackers were motivated by racism, and the other multiple things you mentioned all led back to the guy being white, in addition to his disability making him an easier target.  Yeah, they mentioned Donald Trump. But in their view, and there's blame to be shared by the democrats and the leftwing media for this, they were indoctrinated to believe that whites who voted for Trump are racists. The left has long been making that case against whites while either downplaying or completely ignoring that racism is also rampant among blacks. That's clearly evident in some of the other threads I was reading through this morning. There were not a few comments made that said if a person voted for Trump or a Republican, or if a person in Britain voted for Brexit, they were racist. Those four attackers were conditioned from their youth to be racists.

I don't think Tib is saying this wasn't a racist hate crime. I think he's saying it was that, among possibly other things on top of it. 

When 4 black ppl are torturing a white guy while saying "fuck white people", it's pretty obvious this is racism. There would be 0 question if it was the other way around, and everyone here knows that.

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No, I don't think it's lost its meaning. I do think A Theist is really harming his credibility by slinging the accusation around when it's clear no one here is behaving in that manner.

What a whiny ass! Damn! I'll lose sleep over this one! I have no credibility with the Thump! Well, the double standards that you and your left leaning buddies hold to regarding racism doesn't give you much credibility either.

To be fair, Thump himself has not given a double standard. As he clearly and without hesitation said this is a racist hate crime.

[Faith No More]

I saw this on the news and thought to myself that The Usual Suspects here at AF are going to be all over this, and not a one of them disappointed! Hell, we even got two different threads from them. Keep it up with your "white people can be persecuted, too!" crusade. I know you're just dying to equate the persecution white people face with that of minorities.

Congrats on your team finally getting a point! We'll just put that next to the stack of hundreds of hate crimes toward minorities.

[Edwardo Piet]

What a whiny ass! Damn! I'll lose sleep over this one! I have no credibility with the Thump! Well, the double standards that you and your left leaning buddies hold to regarding racism doesn't give you much credibility either.

To be fair, Thump himself has not given a double standard. As he clearly and without hesitation said this is a racist hate crime.

But A Theist isn't talking to Thump he's talking to the imaginary cartoon SJW Thump ™ In his head.