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Kid arrested for not standing for pledge...
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Kid arrested for not standing for pledge...
There is longstanding SCOTUS rulings that say that public school kids cannot be forced to stand for the pledge. But leave it up to right wing idiots to think forced patriotism is moral.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education...a707ffba34

https://aclu-or.org/en/news/students-not...allegiance
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RE: Kid arrested for not standing for pledge...
Freedom doesn't apply to everyone. It's only a select few that can taste its sweet triumph, that so many fought and died for.
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RE: Kid arrested for not standing for pledge...
Sounds like the school has bought itself a civil rights lawsuit. I hope the kid clears enough to pay for his college.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: Kid arrested for not standing for pledge...
My grandkids don't stand for the pledge. Thankfully none of them have been arrested so far, but only two of them are black. And one of them isn't in school yet.
"Tradition" is just a word people use to make themselves feel better about being an asshole.
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(February 18, 2019 at 10:23 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Sounds like the school has bought itself a civil rights lawsuit. I hope the kid clears enough to pay for his college.

^^^

Yo people, forced flag fetishizing is illegal, not to mention monumentally stupid.
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What a silly idea!
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.

Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups

Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it!

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RE: Kid arrested for not standing for pledge...
(February 18, 2019 at 9:46 am)Brian37 Wrote: There is longstanding SCOTUS rulings that say that public school kids cannot be forced to stand for the pledge. But leave it up to right wing idiots to think forced patriotism is moral.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education...a707ffba34

https://aclu-or.org/en/news/students-not...allegiance

no had nothing to do with the pledge fakenewers.. It was because the kid was being an ass afterward.... the little bastard would not go to the princple office. pledge was over and he was not complying with the teacher who wanted to get the class under way so she sent him to the principle's office he would not go. so the principle sent a dean to get him, he would not go they got the resources officer to escort him then he went nuts yelling and screaming.. so he was arrested for resisting and refusal to vacate

Don't want to stand for the pledge fine kneel and keep your mouth shut you do not have the right to destroy the pledge for everyone else nor do you have the right to protest school so no one else can learn.
https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/arch...allegiance
(local paper)
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RE: Kid arrested for not standing for pledge...
Who are we kidding? My parents taught me not to say the pledge of allegiance. But I was taught to be respectful of others while they were saying the pledge. So I stood.

These kids that are sitting are doing it just to make the others feel disrespected. They are being disruptive, and a teacher has a right to tell them to knock it off. It's an issue created by bored malcontents. And don't compare it to the NFL. Kneeling is respectful.

Here's an idea. You're a fucking kid. Respect your elders. Respect teachers. When the teacher tells you to stand up, stand up you little brat. Parents who think that their kids shouldn't have to stand when the teacher tells them to should just keep their brats at home so that the rest of us don't have to put up with them. You think that your kid should be encouraged to defy teachers and elders? Then home school them, assholes. The rest of us don't want to deal with your little fucking brats.
We do not inherit the world from our parents. We borrow it from our children.
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I wonder if that family gets government assistance in anyway shape or form..
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(February 18, 2019 at 1:12 pm)Drich Wrote:
(February 18, 2019 at 9:46 am)Brian37 Wrote: There is longstanding SCOTUS rulings that say that public school kids cannot be forced to stand for the pledge. But leave it up to right wing idiots to think forced patriotism is moral.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education...a707ffba34

https://aclu-or.org/en/news/students-not...allegiance

no had nothing to do with the pledge fakenewers.. It was because the kid was being an ass afterward.... the little bastard would not go to the princple office. pledge was over and he was not complying with the teacher who wanted to get the class under way so she sent him to the principle's office he would not go. so the principle sent a dean to get him, he would not go they got the resources officer to escort him then he went nuts yelling and screaming.. so he was arrested for resisting and refusal to vacate

Don't want to stand for the pledge fine kneel and keep your mouth shut you do not have the right to destroy the pledge for everyone else nor do you have the right to protest school so no one else can learn.
https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/arch...allegiance
(local paper)

Um no. He is a kid. The teacher is the leader, SHE fucked up, not him. 

There are countries today where blind loyalty is mandated. Try living in North Korea and not standing up to their anthem or dear leader. Their public schools mandate you kiss the Kim family's ass.  Go back in time to WW2 Germany too. Try being a German citizen back then, and not raise your hand standing to the Nazi flag. In Hitler's Germany the youth were required to swear an oath to their flag, in public schools too.

And go get a law degree first before you spew such stupid arguments. SCOTUS has ruled on this issue long ago. In public schools the pledge is not banned, but it is also not mandatory. The reason forced oaths do not exist in America is so we don't end up looking like North Korea, Nazi Germany, Saudi Arabia or Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virgi...._Barnette

Quote:QUOTE WIKI ARTICLE: "in a 6-to-3 decision delivered by Justice Jackson, that it was unconstitutional for public schools to compel students to salute the flag. It thus overruled its decision in Minersville School District v. Gobitis (1940), finding that the flag salute was "a form of utterance" and "a primitive but effective means of communicating ideas". The Court wrote that any "compulsory unification of opinion" was doomed to failure and was antithetical to the values set forth in the First Amendment.  . The Court stated: "If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein."
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