Transgendered children

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Alex Jones is a little over the top, but I agree with him in regards to firearms and such. It might not be shapeshifting alien child molesters that are running the world but the 1% are definitely pulling the strings through their tremendous influence on governments worldwide.

Paul Joseph Watson is on the InfoWars network and makes a lot of excellent points regarding the Islamic invasion of Europe and the extreme elements of the feminist movement.

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Alex Jones is a little over the top, but I agree with him in regards to firearms and such. It might not be shapeshifting alien child molesters that are running the world but the 1% are definitely pulling the strings through their tremendous influence on governments worldwide.

Paul Joseph Watson is on the InfoWars network and makes a lot of excellent points regarding the Islamic invasion of Europe and the extreme elements of the feminist movement.

I like how you brought up shape shifting alien child molesters, but totally ignored the interdimensional ones. Keep deflecting, I'm on to you.

[Edwardo Piet]

The bit that confuses me the most is where the conclusion of "Pink hair = failure" came from?  

My girlfriend, for instance, has some pretty high ambitions that she can fully well achieve, being bright as all hell, yet has pink hair? There are therapists for friends of mine, that have pink hair, or other colours. It's not like someone in a position of power goes "Pink hair? Obviously a total degenerate"....

I would get involved in the rest of it, but i don't know enough to dive in head first on transgender issues, other than i support people for who they want to be

Oh Jello... don't you know that pink hair is PURE EVIL!?!??!?!

Why? Because pink is the color of.............



See what I mean?!!?!? PURE EVIL!

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[Sterben]

You make a good point about being checked out by many doctors of different specializations in order to properly diagnosis the condition. Which can be expensive and not covered by most HMO'S or PPO'S. Disagree with me all you want, but I don't think these cost should be covered by tax payers. If you have private insurance then it be up to the company if they cover such services. Besides that though, when you hear about these stories of a nine year old, or a eleven year old getting hormonal treatment. It's really messed up, these children have not even hit puberty yet. It's not my call to make, parents have the options to raise their children as they like. I do disagree with going that option so early in life. I would say at least wait until the age of sixteen to start any type of treatment in regards to hormone therapy.

Why would I ever disagree with that?! I sure as HELL don't want anyone else paying for this crap... sure, it's probably injust that I've got to deal with it in the first place, and sure, I won't be able to work for at least 6 months (which is fine in my specific case, but I can see how it'd be a problem for others)... but with a little bit of intelligent fiscal planning I believe it can and should be done by the person suffering (or those who immediately support them). I mean... family has become so fucking meaningless with this shove towards its dissolution with welfare I don't want your money, and I don't want to lose 2000 dollars a year of my paycheck on a stupid insurance scam that has never done me any favors!

I really miss buying my medicines for 400 fewer dollars than what they tack onto my damn healthcare stupidity every month... our socialized healthcare where the government pocket is limitless and businesses know it has cause out-of-control rises for service if I want to get off of the government teet (I do). Something really has to be done, it's completely unacceptable (and to try and fucking tax me for not being on it?! Fucking shame!!). Little digression there... back to the meat:

I might argue down to 14 myself, but I couldn't see going too much lower than that. Puberty has a great degree of potential to change a personality, and the introduction of sexual interest in people allows for us to know pretty close to for certain (ya wanna pork or ya wanna get porked?   )

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I'm just wondering, genuine question I'm not "judging" anyone I'm just curious to know, have there been many studies done on the effects hormone blockers might have on brain development at puberty?  

I'm sure the gender therapy doctors know more than all of us, but I just can't imagine it's that healthy and harmless, considering the stuff your head goes through as a teenager already without hormones.

I suppose time will tell as the first kids to try it get older.

It's one of the biggest problems I have with treating transgendered people: there are huge holes in the science, and we cannot state for certain exactly what causes transsexualism in the first place. We need way more information than we have.

Right now, I say we need to be very careful with how far back we push... there's been too much harm done in the name of expediting medical care without full grasp of the cause in otherwise nonlethal cases. If transtrenders are anything to go by: we're gonna be seeing a shit ton of hormonally fluctuating trans-wannabes over the next few years. I know a couple of people myself who've started and stopped hormones after a few years... if adults can be that fucking indecisive and crazy, then how fucking kooky could a kid get?

            Exactly, being a teenager is rough enough without having gender identity issue' s. The process is pretty stable though. Having to see many types of doctors and specialists before you can even begin the process. Unless you go to Thailand or Canada, they have less regulations on the matter of Gender reassignment surgery.

[Regina]

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I'm just wondering, genuine question I'm not "judging" anyone I'm just curious to know, have there been many studies done on the effects hormone blockers might have on brain development at puberty?  

I'm sure the gender therapy doctors know more than all of us, but I just can't imagine it's that healthy and harmless, considering the stuff your head goes through as a teenager already without hormones.

I suppose time will tell as the first kids to try it get older.

It's one of the biggest problems I have with treating transgendered people: there are huge holes in the science, and we cannot state for certain exactly what causes transsexualism in the first place. We need way more information than we have.

Right now, I say we need to be very careful with how far back we push... there's been too much harm done in the name of expediting medical care without full grasp of the cause in otherwise nonlethal cases. If transtrenders are anything to go by: we're gonna be seeing a shit ton of hormonally fluctuating trans-wannabes over the next few years. I know a couple of people myself who've started and stopped hormones after a few years... if adults can be that fucking indecisive and crazy, then how fucking kooky could a kid get?

That's it, you have to be so sure.

There have also been studies done which have shown some children to have what looks like gender dysphoria... who then later grow out of it. There's some child gender therapists who seem to think there's an overlap between being trans and gay in childhood, that many kids who are going to grow up to be gay have dysphoria as kids and then lose it later. In fact keeping it 100% I'd probably even say I was one of those kids, I was a feminine as fuck little boy, played with girls toys and most of my friends were girls, acted like a girl.

My parents humoured it and just let me express freely as a feminine boy, but seriously thank goodness they weren't some of these super-liberal "my child is trans!" type parents who would have really shoved the idea down my throat. It would have got me into a lot of shit later on I'd have had to undo once my childhood dysphoria when away.

I just don't think it's a decision for children to make, and certainly not their parents. But then to be balanced, I do see the argument that the earlier someone transitions, the more passable they're going to end up. Male puberty can really fuck things up for a transwoman, growing too tall, getting broad man shoulders, perhaps even premature balding, it sucks. I think for that reason I can be somewhat sympathetic in allowing teens and possibly pre-teens to be on blockers and start their transition, like I said if it's a kid who has been consistently expressing transgenderism all through childhood.

Also going off-topic but as a quick point, I'm a gay man and I actually agree with you on Pride parades and their oversexualisation. They can be incredibly raunch for something that happens in broad daylight in public, and I don't think it's appropriate. Pride in itself is fine and a great fun event, but really save the leather thongs and the gimpsuits for the clubs and private parties ffs, not everything needs to be full-on raunch all the time. Some of these same gays probably then complain when straight people stereotype us as raunch sex-addicts. I wonder why...

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This may be controversial but I support the use of hormone blockers for children. I just wish I was lucky enough to have started them back when I was much younger. I haven't read any negative studies about them and the effects are easily reversed. I agree that some children can go through phases but it isn't like they are just handing them out to everyone who walks in.

I don't know much about the system over in the US, but here in the UK it is difficult enough for an adult to get on hormone blockers nevermind a child. Self-medicating is also rather common due to long waiting times for first appointments and because it takes months, possibly a year or more in some cases to actually get on them once they have finally seen you a few times.

Seriously, no fucking wonder some decide to end it all.

[paulpablo]

This may be controversial but I support the use of hormone blockers for children. I just wish I was lucky enough to have started them back when I was much younger. I haven't read any negative study about them and the effects are easily reversed. I agree that some children can go through phases but it isn't like they are just handing them out to everyone who walks in.

I don't know much about the system over in the US, but here in the UK it is hard enough for an adult to get on hormone blockers nevermind a child. Self-medicating is also rather common due to long waiting times and the because it takes months, possibly a year or more in some cases to actually get on them once they have seen you a few times.

Seriously, no fucking wonder some decide to end it all.

So how hard is it?

[I_am_not_mafia]

If a adult personally chooses to change their gender biologically? fine. But I don't think children, and teens(At least early teens) should be allowed to go through surgery, as in some cases, they're just going through a phase. I don't support those parents who have their 9 year old children's genitals removed. Also parents shouldn't pressure their children to change their sexuality/gender. Which goes both ways.

Just to put this into perspective. Transgendered children aren't just going through a phase if they're living full time in their desired gender.  You have to be extremely driven to put yourself through such an ordeal. Whatever worries anyone might have about being unduly influenced by a lesbian feminist parent are ridiculous when you think what the child has to go through. For example, the following is not in the least bit surprising.


Spat at, kicked, threatened and shot: The five-month bullying ordeal of an 11-year-old transgender girl

She claims vile bullies have:

*Thrown water over her

*Spat at her

*Kicked her to the floor

*Told her she would be taken to the school’s gym and beaten up ‘because she’s a boy, not a girl’

*Abused her and called her names on a daily basis

In another previous incident before the shooting, the girl’s mother said cruel classmates wrote ‘tranny’ and ‘freak’ and drew lewd images of penises on the cover of one of her exercise books.

The metal ball bearing - fired at the girl as she waited to go into a classroom at 9.20am last Wednesday by a boy who is also in Year 7 - hit her in the shoulder.

So to people who say that this girl should wait until she's 18, consider this. How much is she being harmed by waiting? She's obviously sincere in her own independent choice. She wouldn't be doing this just to impress her parents. She's being psychologically damaged for life by an abusive childhood, yet this is still preferential to her than living in her born gender. Also consider that over 40% transsexuals attempt suicide. Tell me how it is helping this girl by making her wait.

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I know a couple of people myself who've started and stopped hormones after a few years... if adults can be that fucking indecisive and crazy, then how fucking kooky could a kid get?

On the other hand, many other transsexuals know for sure from a very early age and aren't indecisive or crazy. Transitioning is tough enough. You don't need to make it tougher to weed out those who are unsure.

[Drich]

Opinions? I find this disturbing in many ways and quite frankly don't know what to think about it. Tell me what you think.

The little boy who started a sex change aged eight because he (and his lesbian parents) knew he always wanted to be a girl

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...tment.html

Any parent Looking to allow their kid to perminatly mutilate their body should have their kid taken away. 8 nor 11 is old enough to know what you want for the rest of your life.