It Took the Republicunts 8 Years To Come Up With This?

[Minimalist]

Hillary was moving in that direction.  Bernie was there.

Instead, we have the Orange Turd.


Meanwhile, Bernie is still there.

http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/bernie...3544003945

Play the video.

[vorlon13]

I'm still mystified the logic of the dems vigorously allowing all manner of 'pub foolishness thru congress and impeding tooth and nail anything with even a particle of being possibly  successful isn't overwhelmingly obvious to one and all as maximally desirable.

Uh....it's not just democrats objecting to this.  

WTF are you even talking about? 

I do not think democrats plan to be obstructionists just for the sake of it, as Republican were.  If they have any good idea, like building USEFUL infrastructure (the wall is just a waste), or keeping manufacturing jobs local, democrats should, and will, largely back it.

In lieu of a enthusiastic, vigorous, plausible, and existing strategy to win gubernatorial, state legislator and congressional seats starting in 2018, there is NOTHING left except to get the Trump era over as fast as possible.

The long term enlightened best interests can be met no other way.  I never said there would not be an unfortunate body count, but this is the only way  for MINIMIZING it.

It the Trump era lingers for 8, 12 or 16 years, imagine the carnage.  It is far better to get it over ASAP, and that is accomplished by everyone rolling over and taking one for a better and SOONER future.  Which will become obvious all the faster to the Trump supporters the faster it materializes.


Or the dems could stop crawling up their own assholes and dying there, and start grooming and fielding some decent candidates and coming up with some {GASP!!!} winning campaign strategies for 2018. BUT, I am not hopeful for that.

At all.

Your mistake (all of you !) is blaming TRUMP.  Trump is going to be Trump and he's going to keep doing Trump things, as PROMISED and then ELECTED TO DO. And it will continue until someone on the other side starts winning some fucking elections.

And until that fucking fog of fucking failure lifts and reality reasserts itself, the blood is on the Democrats hands.

People aren't going to die because Trump won, they are going to die because the Democrats LOST, and it will continue until the Democrats stop embracing FAILURE and WIN.

[Autumnlicious]

If they were doing that but did not inform you, would your vitriol be justified?

I'm not certain how to even qualify let alone track the conditions you would use to measure "grooming" of candidates.

Why do you feel confident to assert such and judge accordingly?

[Aegon]

"A Modest Proposal: 2017 Edition"

I for one, think the American Health Care Act is a great idea. Speaker Ryan has a gem of a bill on his hands. By creating a healthcare system that systematically creates barriers to everyone who isn’t rich from getting healthcare, he serves the noble purpose of purging America of the poor. It’s just a shame that he won’t come out and admit that’s the point of his bill.

ObamaCare failed for the simple reason that it cared about the poor. High subsidies for the poor to get care, expansion of Medicare, creating free market exchanges with minimum levels of care, all were geared towards actually helping people. As was the elimination of cut rate insurance which provided little actual coverage but charged people giving them a sense of insurance theater. Coupled with the individual mandate which nudged people towards taking responsibility for their own care, millions and millions and millions of people got coverage. The biggest flaw of Obamacare was actually providing revenue streams that could possibly match the expenses of banning denials on pre-existing conditions and banning lifetime limits.

Here is where I must applaud Speaker Ryan. The American Health Care Act sneakily keeps both of the popular Obamacare conditions of banning denials on pre-existing conditions and banning lifetime limits, but gets rid of the individual mandate. Now, now I hear you saying “but there’s a 30% fee!” Yes, there is, but that incentivizes people not to get coverage when they are healthy and pocket the money only to sign up when they need coverage. This is genius because it deprives insurance from being able to actually generate enough revenue to match the outrageous costs of banning denials on pre-existing conditions and banning lifetime limits. Speaker Ryan has legislated a death spiral. Of course he criticized Obama for Obamacare having an alleged death spiral, but here, it’s written right into the law! With no hope of ever generating enough revenue to cover such costs, insurance carriers will either simply stop offering policies in areas, or charge everyone horrendously high prices as they cannot discriminate outside of age. Eventually, very few people will be able to afford insurance including many with pre-existing conditions. Now, won’t this end up with many of them unable to get the necessary care they need?

That’s the point! The TrumpCare death spiral is a genius way of backdoor killing these people and it’s about time we purged society of the invalids. Thousands, if not hundreds of thousands will die and with declining care available to the rest of the poor, many of them will die off too. America has a once in a generation chance of exterminating the poor and we should thank Speaker Ryan and President Trump for it and we can start right now as insurance is allowed to drop these people immediately upon passage of this glorious healthcare law.

Now, I hear you whispering in the back about HSAs. HSAs are designed for rich folk like me to sock away thousands of dollars tax free. A family making $50,000 cannot put away $14,000 into an HSA. HSAs are merely cover to pretend that Trump and Ryan are offering the poor and middle class a chance at care. It’s an illusion of hope, a mirage we need long enough to get this rammed through Congress without any of the standard procedures so we can start exterminating the poor as soon as possible.

Oh, and that new change of allowing insurers to charge FIVE TIMES the cost to the old? Good. It’s time we kill the elderly off too. They smell bad, drive slow and get too many discounts. Pricing them out of healthcare is a sure fire way to exterminate the old folks too.

Now, you’re thinking what else can we do to exterminate the poor? Well, Andrew Puzder was a great choice for labor nominee as a CEO who cared so little about his workers fits perfectly into the current world. Not only did he underpay the poor who worked for him, he wanted to bring in immigrants who he could pay even less at the same time automating out such jobs so we would not even need the poor at all! We need more people who so flagrantly don’t care about anyone but the rich in power.

The problem the Republicans have is that they won’t come out and support Paul Ryan’s attempt to exterminate the poor by the millions. Honestly, we should have exterminated the poor years ago. Why should the rich have to care for anyone but themselves? Why should anyone care about what happens to others? Money is the only thing that matters today as Cal Thomas’s recent article on March 7, 2017, says “Do you care more about the Russians, or your increasing net worth? I thought so.” The idea of a free, independent, ethically clean America where people don’t have to beg strangers to fund their healthcare isn’t important as long as you’re rich. Thus, I ask you reader, why do we even pretend to care about the poor? It’s time we start killing the poor and killing them in large numbers.

[Minimalist]

Or the dems could stop crawling up their own assholes and dying there, and start grooming and fielding some decent candidates and coming up with some {GASP!!!} winning campaign strategies for 2018. BUT, I am not hopeful for that.

You can't be serious, V.  Have you taken a look at the collection of pigs, assholes, and scumbags that are the current GOP?  They don't win by fielding "decent" candidates.  They win by electing some asshole who is a wholly owned subsidiary of the upper 1% and who lie about it constantly.

[abaris]

You can't be serious, V.  Have you taken a look at the collection of pigs, assholes, and scumbags that are the current GOP?  They don't win by fielding "decent" candidates.  They win by electing some asshole who is a wholly owned subsidiary of the upper 1% and who lie about it constantly.

And yet someone has to develop counter strategies. Obviously. People keep electing GOP assholes because they buy into their narrative. So someone has to fight back. Sitting it out and waiting for people looking at the opposition as the lesser evil doesn't work. That at least should be obvious after this last disaster.

[dyresand]

Or the dems could stop crawling up their own assholes and dying there, and start grooming and fielding some decent candidates and coming up with some {GASP!!!} winning campaign strategies for 2018. BUT, I am not hopeful for that.

You can't be serious, V.  Have you taken a look at the collection of pigs, assholes, and scumbags that are the current GOP?  They don't win by fielding "decent" candidates.  They win by electing some asshole who is a wholly owned subsidiary of the upper 1% and who lie about it constantly.

They can win if they have a Candidate if they push someone who isn't a complete piece of shit. The reason the dems lost is simple. 
They pushed for a campaign of hope and change and couldn't deliver. That and the fact dems let them selves  lose power in the senate 
and even congress then republicans took those seats. They didn't deliver what they promised so when Hillary came around she would have won
sure if there wasn't something called electoral votes.

To put it like so were fucked with these 4 years no one would want to vote republican. I mean check out Trumpcare it would fuck over older people being older trump supporters.
Then said supporters are already mad at them for trying repeal obama care because it works and it helps them. Between now and 2020 the democratic party has to ditch the Clinton
era politics and business and usual strategy. Until that happens we may have a indefinite republican run house, senate, and congress. But i hope the justice democrats and wolf pack
start getting serious and start challenging and taking over the current democratic party.

[Minimalist]

For generations, since Nixon really, the basic republicunt message to middle America has been - "at least you aren't niggers or spics."

Stop kidding yourself about the depth of understanding of the 'Murrican electorate.

[dyresand]

For generations, since Nixon really, the basic republicunt message to middle America has been - "at least you aren't niggers or spics."

Stop kidding yourself about the depth of understanding of the 'Murrican electorate.

Which i find ironic the same party that ended slavery and was progressive turned around and became the party of regressives and racism. 
And i can say the same thing about the democratic party then again they are the same just one panders more the brown people more than others.

[Minimalist]

Hence the terminus ad quo citing Nixon and his moral majority bullshit.

In fact, it was George Wallace who first kicked over that rock but he was talking more to southern white democrats in the 60's.  Recall that Lyndon Johnson famously said as he signed the Civil Rights Bill of 1964 "we have lost the south for the next 50 years."

Johnson was something of an optimist it turns out.

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When even your friends hate you.......

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...-1.2992986

Top Trump Senate ally slams Obamacare repeal bill as pressure mounts 

Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), a hardline conservative who has been a reliable Trump ally and recently met with Trump at the White House, slammed House GOP leaders' plan to repeal the law and replace it with a series of tax credits and promised that the bill as written would never make into law.

Of course it is important to remember that Cotton is one of those useless conservatard bastards who thinks people should die in the streets.