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Would I still be an atheist if I believed this?
March 20, 2017 at 12:50 am
There is a scientific hypothesis proposed by James N. Gardner that postulates that there are cycles of cosmic creation within a multiverse in which highly evolved intelligent civilizations (if you could call their society that) have reached a point where they can spawn baby universes. They have enough knowledge in physics that they can tune constants and create a specific "life permitting" universe that allows for specific types of life forms, probably biological structures similar to them. This has already been done long before humans, and our universe is one of those spawned universes. Eventually, we may reach a point where we could spawn baby universes. This means that ET's create universes. This is the selfish biocosm hypothesis.
Now, suppose I accept this hypothesis and start thinking of these natural beings as superior intelligence beings that need to be acknowledged and praised. Could I call them God and then become some sort of theist? I could be a naturalist and accept this, so could it be like a naturalist theist?
I would think the term god wouldn't exactly match this and you would therefore still be an atheist if you are a naturalist.
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RE: Would I still be an atheist if I believed this?
March 20, 2017 at 12:54 am
It depends. Do these aliens care whether you masturbate and eat seashells?
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RE: Would I still be an atheist if I believed this?
March 20, 2017 at 12:57 am
(March 20, 2017 at 12:54 am)Alex K Wrote: It depends. Do these aliens care whether you masturbate and eat seashells?
I doubt they would even care to know us.
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RE: Would I still be an atheist if I believed this?
March 20, 2017 at 12:59 am
(March 20, 2017 at 12:57 am)TheAtheologian Wrote: (March 20, 2017 at 12:54 am)Alex K Wrote: It depends. Do these aliens care whether you masturbate and eat seashells?
I doubt they would even care to know us.
While they would somehow fit the description of a deist God, that would be an illusion. It would simply be the multiverse evolving in very intricate ways.
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RE: Would I still be an atheist if I believed this?
March 20, 2017 at 1:00 am
not that far off of Mormonism
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RE: Would I still be an atheist if I believed this?
March 20, 2017 at 1:06 am
(March 20, 2017 at 12:59 am)Alex K Wrote: (March 20, 2017 at 12:57 am)TheAtheologian Wrote: I doubt they would even care to know us.
While they would somehow fit the description of a deist God, that would be an illusion. It would simply be the multiverse evolving in very intricate ways.
Why can't I call these beings gods? It could be like some polydeism.
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RE: Would I still be an atheist if I believed this?
March 20, 2017 at 1:30 am
(March 20, 2017 at 1:06 am)TheAtheologian Wrote: (March 20, 2017 at 12:59 am)Alex K Wrote: While they would somehow fit the description of a deist God, that would be an illusion. It would simply be the multiverse evolving in very intricate ways.
Why can't I call these beings gods? It could be like some polydeism.
The question is more about what your definition of the word god is. They themselves have abiogenesised and evolved like us, so I think the label would be misleading.
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RE: Would I still be an atheist if I believed this?
March 20, 2017 at 3:38 am
(March 20, 2017 at 12:50 am)TheAtheologian Wrote: There is a scientific hypothesis proposed by James N. Gardner that postulates that there are cycles of cosmic creation within a multiverse in which highly evolved intelligent civilizations (if you could call their society that) have reached a point where they can spawn baby universes. They have enough knowledge in physics that they can tune constants and create a specific "life permitting" universe that allows for specific types of life forms, probably biological structures similar to them. This has already been done long before humans, and our universe is one of those spawned universes. Eventually, we may reach a point where we could spawn baby universes. This means that ET's create universes. This is the selfish biocosm hypothesis.
Now, suppose I accept this hypothesis and start thinking of these natural beings as superior intelligence beings that need to be acknowledged and praised. Could I call them God and then become some sort of theist? I could be a naturalist and accept this, so could it be like a naturalist theist?
I would think the term god wouldn't exactly match this and you would therefore still be an atheist if you are a naturalist.
Ah but then there would the "ultimate necessary" first alien intelligence that started the whole thing many iterations of the universe ago and we call that being god oh and he hates gays.
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RE: Would I still be an atheist if I believed this?
March 20, 2017 at 4:22 am
Would these extra-universal aliens have any method of interacting with our Universe (after setting initial conditions) or would they be confined to their own?
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RE: Would I still be an atheist if I believed this?
March 20, 2017 at 6:18 am
(March 20, 2017 at 12:50 am)TheAtheologian Wrote: There is a scientific hypothesis proposed by James N. Gardner that postulates that there are cycles of cosmic creation within a multiverse in which highly evolved intelligent civilizations (if you could call their society that) have reached a point where they can spawn baby universes. They have enough knowledge in physics that they can tune constants and create a specific "life permitting" universe that allows for specific types of life forms, probably biological structures similar to them. This has already been done long before humans, and our universe is one of those spawned universes. Eventually, we may reach a point where we could spawn baby universes. This means that ET's create universes. This is the selfish biocosm hypothesis.
Now, suppose I accept this hypothesis and start thinking of these natural beings as superior intelligence beings that need to be acknowledged and praised. Could I call them God and then become some sort of theist? I could be a naturalist and accept this, so could it be like a naturalist theist?
I would think the term god wouldn't exactly match this and you would therefore still be an atheist if you are a naturalist.
In this illogical dream we got highly intelligent beings that become GODS.
Eh, wait a minute mate.
What about competition?
Why Gods would create competition for themselves?
Doesn't the present going on in this planet explain you that people avoid as hell to create competition for themselves? 
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