There is no doubt a god, the question is what is it?

[Brian37]

I am having fun. Aren't you?


Who said anything about fear? I'd love to have my mind changed. Whether or not that happens depends on your ability to prove something for once.

I will do my best however, you shouldn't depend on me, but as I said, go the working backward approach, thereby giving the possibility of God to guide you.

Yeah I am having fun.

No, I don't think you are having fun. I have been at this for years. 16 years and have debated every religion you can think of. I know the difference when people are merely pissed at my bluntness and still have fun on other subjects and other theists, and when they sound obsessed. You post, not like you are making arguments, you post like you are obsessed. 

I rarely if ever see you talk about anything else, like music, or your favorite sports team or favorite movie. I don't even see you post jokes in our humor section. If you have, I have not seen it. I think you take yourself way too seriously pushing yourself on others. I know, because I used to do the same damned thing when I was young.

Let your hair down, stop fooling yourself into thinking the entire world  secretly wants to belong you your club. I think you can have far more fun if you accept that. Right now I see you needlessly torturing yourself.

[LastPoet]

What? You dumb fuck. You truly are. I live in a secular country. One of peace. There are christians, muslims, hindus and atheists and others. No one gives a fuck about religion. It is something that we are...

We accept refugees. We had, but there are few of them that want to come here. Well, life is hard here. Wouldn't trade it for teh american dream.

Oppressing others from other countries, while living peacefully in your own country, is hardly peaceful but hypocritical and selfish. Causing chaos and giving weapons for example to Sadam, to chemically harm others, is not that of enlightened peaceful society. Nuking two cities and justifying by lies or some sort of irrational philosophical justification is hardly peaceful.

The world doesn't want the west to lead them for good reasons.  From colonialism, from what was done to the natives to now with what is being done to us, is but a selfish nature by which is nothing but racism in disguise.

I will leave it at that. Islam is the cure for even the west, who are in need of the Arab Qurayshi Hashimi Prophet, Mohammad.

This is the halmark of a child... instead of making things better that is hard, blame your current mistakes on others and history. Very well, we blame the germans. And the romans, and the mongols and those pussy greeks.

Try to have a grasp on reality. Fight for the now, for peace and let the lessons of the past instruct you to make it better.

You can blow mohammad or allah out of your ass. Your words have no meaning.

[Mystic]

You can have the last word, if it makes you feel better.

[Jehanne]

I've always liked you, MK, but I am getting sick of being preached at. Why don't you find a Muslim forum to preach? You won't find converts here.

I read it, and his line of argumentation seemed to be almost incoherent, kind of along the lines of the ontological argument, I suppose.

But, I dispute the ontological argument, because if a Perfect Being truly existed, then he/she/it would not be hiding himself/herself/itself.  In short, the "divine hiddenness" argument refutes the ontological argument, as does the argument from "pointless evil" and/or natural evil in the Universe.  In short, theism (and, even deism) is incoherent, ill-defined and self-refuting.

[Brian37]

You can have the last word, if it makes you feel better.

Nobody is trying to have the "last word". Stop your fake indignation. You simply are not proving what you claim. And it is again, nothing we have not seen from people with other religions.

"I quote my book to prove my book" is circular reasoning, and every religion does that.
"I use science to prove my book", again, every religion does that.
"I use philosophy to prove my book" every religion does that.

Get over yourself. You are not the only one and not the first.

[WinterHold]

What? You dumb fuck. You truly are. I live in a secular country. One of peace. There are christians, muslims, hindus and atheists and others. No one gives a fuck about religion. It is something that we are...

We accept refugees. We had, but there are few of them that want to come here. Well, life is hard here. Wouldn't trade it for teh american dream.

Oppressing others from other countries, while living peacefully in your own country, is hardly peaceful but hypocritical and selfish. Causing chaos and giving weapons for example to Sadam, to chemically harm others, is not that of enlightened peaceful society. Nuking two cities and justifying by lies or some sort of irrational philosophical justification is hardly peaceful.

The world doesn't want the west to lead them for good reasons.  From colonialism, from what was done to the natives to now with what is being done to us, is but a selfish nature by which is nothing but racism in disguise.

I will leave it at that. Islam is the cure for even the west, who are in need of the Arab Qurayshi Hashimi Prophet, Mohammad.

Okay....so know it's time for changing your personality into "the politician who seeks to cure the west"?
I finally understand what stalker means.

Truly OP, what do you feel?
roaming forums, preaching the same shitty faith, using the same shitty arguments. Take a shower, would ya?

Just Pfffffffffffffffffff.

People like you embarrass this religion. And your kin bomb children with chemical weapons just like other members said.

Take a shower. Don't forget. You have no soft spots because you're not even human. You're a pile of something else. A pile of Taqeya?
Go celebrate the day of Ashura.
Shower up after it!

[Brian37]

Oppressing others from other countries, while living peacefully in your own country, is hardly peaceful but hypocritical and selfish. Causing chaos and giving weapons for example to Sadam, to chemically harm others, is not that of enlightened peaceful society. Nuking two cities and justifying by lies or some sort of irrational philosophical justification is hardly peaceful.

The world doesn't want the west to lead them for good reasons.  From colonialism, from what was done to the natives to now with what is being done to us, is but a selfish nature by which is nothing but racism in disguise.

I will leave it at that. Islam is the cure for even the west, who are in need of the Arab Qurayshi Hashimi Prophet, Mohammad.

Okay....so know it's time for changing your personality into "the politician who seeks to cure the west"?
I finally understand what stalker means.

Truly OP, what do you feel?
roaming forums, preaching the same shitty faith, using the same shitty arguments. Take a shower, would ya?

Just Pfffffffffffffffffff.

People like you embarrass this religion. And your kin bomb children with chemical weapons just like other members said.

Take a shower. Don't forget. You have no soft spots because you're not even human. You're a pile of something else. A pile of Taqeya?
Go celebrate the day of Ashura.
Shower up after it!

While it is great to see a Muslim take on another Muslim, and while you and I might agree it is not the job of MK or even Christians to "be a cure" for their rivals, this is also what liberal Christians and liberal Jews and liberal Muslims and even atheists dont get. You do know, or you should know how many times I have posted here to other atheists, not even we are a "cure" because there is no such thing as a "cure" to an imperfect reality, much less an imperfect species.

I may have the position that humans don't need ANY religion, liberal or conservative, but you have individuals and sects as sub sets of umbrella labels that argue over how to interpret and how to act.

I think life is far more simple than the needless complexities humans invent. Even atheists. We don't agree. I have pissed off both economic right "fuck you I got mine" Trump voting Christians, but also economic right libertarian Ayn Rand atheists who might get LGBT and pot smoking right, but also think all taxes are robbery. Conversely I have also pissed of other atheists who love Che, the Cuban revolutionary who lead to Cuba, but also forget, that Cuba is still to this day a majority Catholic.

MK makes himself look bad as an individual, not you. But regardless, you both subscribe to the same book and have the same core heros in Allah  and Mo. Just like Jerry Falwell is a fucking dick to me and anyone who doesn't want LGBT rights still has the same book/s as a liberal Obama voting Christian.

I take the same attitude with my fellow atheists. If your attitude is no rules and blame everyone else because they didn't move up, I could give a shit less if you are an atheist, you still lack empathy. If your attitude is "nobody has a right to private property" and they are an atheist, they are no better than the Christians who supported Stalin or the Christians who support the Castro family.

Labels, not even the word "atheist" are a cure. The individual is ultimately what you should look at and judge.

[Mystic]

Okay....so know it's time for changing your personality into "the politician who seeks to cure the west"?
I finally understand what stalker means.

Truly OP, what do you feel?
roaming forums, preaching the same shitty faith, using the same shitty arguments. Take a shower, would ya?

Just Pfffffffffffffffffff.

People like you embarrass this religion. And your kin bomb children with chemical weapons just like other members said.

Take a shower. Don't forget. You have no soft spots because you're not even human. You're a pile of something else. A pile of Taqeya?
Go celebrate the day of Ashura.
Shower up after it!

While it is great to see a Muslim take on another Muslim 

Quranists are not Muslims according to most Muslims, but that is another story, I don't know whether we should consider them Muslims or not. He hates all Muslims who don't interpret the book by desires and aren't in favor for abandoning the Sunnah (way) of the Prophet.

I can prove that the Ulil-Amr are the 12 Imams by Quran, but he is not interested in that discussion.

And he seeking honor from you guys by attacking me does nothing for him.

[Jesster]

Quranists are not Muslims according to most Muslims, but that is another story, I don't know whether we should consider them Muslims or not. He hates all Muslims who don't interpret the book by desires and aren't in favor for abandoning the Sunnah (way) of the Prophet.

I don't see why anyone here should care.

I can prove that the Ulil-Amr are the 12 Imams by Quran, but he is not interested in that discussion.

Even if you could prove it, and you have a bad record for proofs, I don't see why we should care about this either.

[Mystic]

^You don't see anything worth seeing. So that's nothing new.