After leading ACA repeal in the House, Trump praises Australia's universal healthcare

[Tiberius]

Well that's the thing with young healthy people. They don't go to the doctor because they think they are invincible. That's the reason they were made to pay for health insurance ironically to help offset those who were old and sick. They are not in the habit of going to the doctor for regular checkups, they are now just required to pay way more then they did before. It's been that way for generations which is why the government needed to bring them in collectively to offset the costs of the elderly.

It's also a great way to get yourself into massive medical debt when you have a car crash and need $100,000 worth of surgery.

Ironically the biggest Bernie Sanders supporters who constantly texts me either don't have health care and get paid under the table with cash and don't pay the fine, or just pay the fine and don't have health care. Not saying you are a Bernie supporter, but just thought it was interesting because these people always tell me everyone needs to pay for health insurance, when they don't themselves.

Take any political group and look hard enough and you'll find hypocrites. I am a Bernie Sanders supporter and I pay for my insurance, and I think everyone should or get it for "free". I don't agree with people being paid under the table as it's no better than what the rich do to hide away their money from being taxed.

[scoobysnack]

Well that's the thing with young healthy people. They don't go to the doctor because they think they are invincible. That's the reason they were made to pay for health insurance ironically to help offset those who were old and sick. They are not in the habit of going to the doctor for regular checkups, they are now just required to pay way more then they did before. It's been that way for generations which is why the government needed to bring them in collectively to offset the costs of the elderly.

It's also a great way to get yourself into massive medical debt when you have a car crash and need $100,000 worth of surgery.

Ironically the biggest Bernie Sanders supporters who constantly texts me either don't have health care and get paid under the table with cash and don't pay the fine, or just pay the fine and don't have health care. Not saying you are a Bernie supporter, but just thought it was interesting because these people always tell me everyone needs to pay for health insurance, when they don't themselves.

Take any political group and look hard enough and you'll find hypocrites. I am a Bernie Sanders supporter and I pay for my insurance, and I think everyone should or get it for "free". I don't agree with people being paid under the table as it's no better than what the rich do to hide away their money from being taxed.

Fair enough. I honestly don't have much against most Bernie supporters. I live in Madison Wisconsin and I'm a minority Trump supporter. It does piss me off however how so many bartenders don't pay taxes because they don't report their tips. I know some that with salary make 6 figures, but report a small fraction.

Just to share a story, a good friend saw some guy die today. Was driving down the highway and a car went sideways, overturned into the wall, flipped up and went the opposite direction and flew the other way into the guardrail, a few cars in front of him. Passenger staggered out, but the driver died unfortunately.

Another story, is last Friday, my buddy went to his grandmas, and found her murdered. Hit in the head with a hammer or something by someone she was letting stay with her. Fucked up!

Not that it has anything to do with the convo, but just sharing some stories.

[Aroura]

Let's not forget that House also just passed something that will EXEMPT them, their families, and all of their employees from the "Healthcare" atrocity they just passed. It's so awesome that none of them want anything to do with it! All of them will continue be eligible for full ACA benefits as they currently stand (assuming the atrocity passes the Senate later).

Lovely.

[SteelCurtain]

Yeah, I'll trust scooby to relay accurate information that doesn't merely confirm his biases---never.

Before Tennessee finally expanded Medicaid my premiums on the marketplace were 240 per month. Once Medicaid got expanded my premiums on ACA went to 80/month.

[Minimalist]

Let's not forget that House also just passed something that will EXEMPT them, their families, and all of their employees from the "Healthcare" atrocity they just passed.  It's so awesome that none of them want anything to do with it!  All of them will continue be eligible for full ACA benefits as they currently stand (assuming the atrocity passes the Senate later).

Lovely.

This is merely the 61st time that the republicunt majority has passed a bill to repeal the ACA.  It will die a well-deserved death in the senate.  They aren't going to rush it through without a CBO scoring and hearings.

[Silver]

3 Terrifying Facts About Gop Health Plan We Are Learning at the Last Minute

1. Out-Of-Pocket Caps In Large Employer Plans Are At Risk.

The Wall Street Journal reported this morning that out-of-pocket caps for people with catastrophic illnesses could return, meaning the money coming out of patients’ pockets would skyrocket again. Here’s the simple explanation:

Under the House bill, large employers could choose the benefit requirements from any state—including those that are allowed to lower their benchmarks under a waiver, health analysts said. By choosing a waiver state, employers looking to lower their costs could impose lifetime limits and eliminate the out-of-pocket cost cap from their plans under the GOP legislation.

This means if you are one of the roughly 159 million Americans receiving coverage through your employer, the GOP plan could make your insurance much more expensive when you get sick. The WSJ noted nearly 60 percent of employees had plans that carried these types of limits prior to passage of ACA.

2. AHCA Would Protect Just 5 Percent Of People With Pre-Existing Conditions.

A new study from Avalere Health released today showed only a tiny amount of people with pre-existing conditions would be protected under AHCA due to a gross lack of funding. CNBC noted:

The bill’s $23 billion in funding specifically for such people would cover just 110,000 Americans…

That’s only 5 percent of the 2.2 million current enrollees in the individual insurance market with some type of pre-existing chronic condition.

3. Special Education Students Would Take A Massive Hit.

Due to projected cuts to Medicaid, services to special education students would be potentially put on the chopping block, according to a report by the New York Times. This would mean an already strapped-for-cash area would get hit even harder:

AASA, an advocacy association for school superintendents, estimates that school districts receive about $4 billion in Medicaid reimbursements annually. In a January survey of nearly 1,000 district officials in 42 states, nearly 70 percent of districts reported that they used the money to pay the salaries of health care professionals who serve special education students…

But in a letter sent to top lawmakers this week, a coalition of school educators and advocacy organizations said such efforts would force states to “ration health care for children.”…

Under a little-noticed provision of the health care bill, states would no longer have to consider schools eligible Medicaid providers, meaning they would not be entitled to reimbursements.

http://reverbpress.com/politics/three-te...st-minute/

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Universal Health Care "makes people less likely to embrace Christianity."

According to

Mark Green, a Republican state senator from Tennessee who is President Donald Trump’s pick to be army secretary.

As the Washington Examiner reports, Green said in 2015 that it should be the Christian church’s role to help provide sick people with health care so they can more easily convert them to their religion.

“The person who’s in need… they look to the government for the answer, not God, and I think in that way government has done an injustice that’s even bigger than just the creation of an entitlement welfare state,” Green said. “In this setting, I’ll share the story, I think it interrupts the opportunity for people to come to a saving knowledge of who God is.”

Green argued that since Jesus regularly used his powers to cure lepers, the modern-day church should take on a similar role.

“If you look at the Gospels and you go and study the Gospels, every person who came to Christ came to Christ with a physical need,” he said. “It was either hunger or a disease.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/trump-ar...-to-jesus/

[Whateverist]

Was there ever such a moron as Trump, or so many voting citizens of one country eager to prove their own idiocy by backing him?

[Silver]

Was there ever such a moron as Trump, or so many voting citizens of one country eager to prove their own idiocy by backing him?

The irony about the majority who vote Republican is that they are not voting for the Republican, because it is common knowledge that the Republican only supports other rich Republicans.

The majority of Republican voters are voting for the god-believer or the white supremacist.

[dyresand]

Was there ever such a moron as Trump, or so many voting citizens of one country eager to prove their own idiocy by backing him?

The irony about the majority who vote Republican is that they are not voting for the Republican, because it is common knowledge that the Republican only supports other rich Republicans.

The majority of Republican voters are voting for the god-believer or the white supremacist.

The fall of both parties... really they support the rich...
normal people hate the rich with a passion. Republicans use religion to get voters 
and the truth is religion is dying in the US  23% of Americans are closeted atheists
and the numbers continue grow while the number of religious are on the decline.

[Lek]

If medicare has been working well for so many years, why not just expand it to cover everyone? We already have a working model.